working 2 verticals

Ricky Littleton · Post by **Ricky Littleton** » 5 Jul 2003 3:35 pm

Anyone out there currently using 2 verticals on the same knee and neck? If so, can you give me a hint how you manage that scenario.

Thanks

Ricky

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Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 6 Jul 2003 10:53 am

Not currently, but my old Dekley S-12 had two verticals on the left side that were mounted in opposite directions, i.e. pointing towards each other so they could actually be engaged at the same time if so desired.
Now what was really weird about it was the setup when I got it. The guitar was tuned like a regular E9 on strings 1 to 10 with a low E on string 11 and a low B on 12. The left vertical knee lever was the standard 5th and 10th strings B to Bb, but the right one would drop the 9th string from D to B and the 10th string from B to G#, thus putting it into a Universal tuning! Indeed, the guitar had the equivalents of C6 pedals 567 on pedals 456. But if you think about it, to play in "Universal" mode you would have had to engage two knee levers all the time AND work the pedals with the vertical pushed up and that sure must have been a bit awkward! Maybe it would have made some sense if there was some kind of locking mechanism for that lever but there was none of that. The previous owner couldn´t tell me anything about it since he was only interested in E9 and so was I at the time so I quickly changed it to Extended E9 with low G# and E and used that vertical lever for other changes (I experimented a lot) but none of those would ever require the use of both levers.

Regards, Joe H.[This message was edited by Joe Henry on 06 July 2003 at 11:55 AM.]

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 6 Jul 2003 12:38 pm

That would help to enhance your abdominal musculature.

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 6 Jul 2003 1:25 pm

...maybe try it with one vertical going up and one vertical going down...

..you either put the bottom vertical on a hinge and lock it in place after you sit down, or you put your steel on like a pair of pants..

Ricky Littleton · Post by **Ricky Littleton** » 6 Jul 2003 1:28 pm

Ok. Now for part 2 of this topic:

Now, how would one work a Crawford Cluster with those two verticals? The reason I'm asking is that I always thought the C-cluster was four regular knees and a SINGLE vertical. I'm in agreement that all in all, you would probably get a heck of a workout if playing a fast tune needing all that left leg and knee work.

Interested in how this cluster of 6 knees would work on a single leg.

Thanks again,

Ricky

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Ricky Littleton · Post by **Ricky Littleton** » 6 Jul 2003 6:13 pm

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Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 6 Jul 2003 8:35 pm

Curly Chalker always had two opposing verticle knee levers working on his C6. He could work one or both to get different changes. One would raise the top E to F and the A to Bb and the other would lower the E to Eb and raise the A to Bb. When both were activated, it would cancel out the moving of the E and just move the A to Bb. He had that on all of his different steels over the years. I also am thinking of having two opposing knees on my next new steel but a different setup on my C6.

Dennis Boyd · Post by **Dennis Boyd** » 9 Jul 2003 11:16 am

I have two left knee verticals. LVL raises my F#s to G, and LVR lowers my G#s to G. I don't use them at the same time, but I do engage the LVR lever with my LKR(IN)lever which lowers the top two Es to D# quite often. I've tried to maintain a cluster arrangement for the six left knee levers.

Dennis

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 9 Jul 2003 1:27 pm

David Wright has the two opposing knee levers on his Sierra. It is a pretty good idea. What I did on an Excel I had, I put the B to A on one and G# to F# on the other to go along with either P6 or P5 on E6. then pushing both together gets you into A6 just like the PF 4th pedal on E9 goes into A6......lots of stuff there....al

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David Wright · Post by **David Wright** » 9 Jul 2003 7:42 pm

yes, I have two on one of my guitars, and 3 verticle levers on my other, I will post a pic of the three...

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David Wright · Post by **David Wright** » 10 Jul 2003 12:58 pm