4th pedal on a E9th PP ???

Larry Beck · Post by **Larry Beck** » 4 Jun 2003 12:18 pm

I need some help. It's been a while since I had to deal with the limits and possibilities of a Single neck PP. This one has 4X4. Keeping that configuration, what are some posibilities for the 4th pedal?

TIA

Gino Iorfida · Post by **Gino Iorfida** » 4 Jun 2003 12:51 pm

You could have the 'franklin' pedal installed lowering 5 + 6 a whole step, the biggest drawback would be a little bit of extra slack on your A and possibly your C pedal. My push pull came set up with 4 + 5:

1 "franklin change" 4 + 5 down 1 step
2 "A"
3 "B"
4 "C"
LKL both E's to F
LKR both E's to Eb
LKV 5 down 1/2 step (10 not lowered for some reason
RKL 1 up 1 step, 2 up 1/2 step, and 6 down 1 step
RKR 2 down 1/2step to halfstop, then down full, and 9 lowered 1/2 step

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 4 Jun 2003 4:26 pm

Larry raise both F# to G#.

Larry Behm

Larry Beck · Post by **Larry Beck** » 4 Jun 2003 6:25 pm

Good Ideas! Just for discusion, suppose I lowered the G#s to add some pentatonic possibilities?

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 5 Jun 2003 4:30 am

Larry,
If you lower your G#'s, move everything over one space and put those lowers on pedal 1 to the the left of your "A" pedal. That way you can get some great combinations with that pedal. If you put it at the pedal 4 slot it won't be nearly as useful. On my guitar I raise the 7th string F# to G# like Tom Brumley does but it's more for licks than chord possibilities. When you lower the G#'s to G you get the obvious minor chord by flatting the open third, then when you add the A pedal you get a nice diminished chord. When your E's are lowered that pedal will also give you another augmented chord position. There are a lot of other uses but I gotta get outa here. Have a good 'un.....JH

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 5 Jun 2003 5:42 am

I like Jerry's idea. The G# to G has many applications and works well on Pedal Zero. Combines really well with the A pedal. I find it more useful than the 5,6,10 whole tone drop, but I do use both and have used both on a pedal OR a knee lever and both work well in my experience. I don't care for the Franklin pedal on a push-pull, as someone mentioned -- can be done, however, but I don't care for the feel.

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Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 5 Jun 2003 6:04 am

Both G#'s to G will work very well next to the A pedal. (will also make it possible to play maj/min/dim triads on strings 10 8 6 5 4 3) when used in combination w Aped & knee( E's -F)

Another that will work well next to A pedal is 6string G# to A# (Bb). Will also work w A pedal & E's - F.

Bengt Erlandsen

Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 5 Jun 2003 6:23 am

One of my D-10 Push/Pulls has 9 & 5,
so I have that extra pedal raising
only the 4th string a whole tone.
So, if I press that as I'm sliding
down two frets...it's basically the
same as the Franklin change.

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 5 Jun 2003 10:15 am

I don't think that's really true, Jay, although it may look like it on paper. What happens if you want to use one of the other grips -- like 8,6,5? How about combining the whole tone drops with the E to D# lever with 6,5,4 or 8,6,5? How about the 10th string pull? I use those ideas more often than the 4,5,6 stuff myself.

The E to F# lever is a cool change, but it doesn't come close to replacing the PF pedal, in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

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