Those jumping E clips

Bob Cox · Post by **Bob Cox** » 18 May 2003 4:26 pm

Today I moved a rod on my guitar to a lower hole to get it to match up on a unison pull better and the e clip jumped acrossed the room to who knows where.I don't have any extras so I,ll have to try and track some down real Quick.A local hardware had some but they were to big to fit the emmons rods.

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 18 May 2003 9:47 pm

Bob, a good hardware store should have those clips. If not, call Ron Jr. at Emmons and he will sell you some. (Get at least a dozen.) Many hardware stores carry them, but I have found most are too thick to fit in the slot.

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Martin W. Emmons LG III 3/5 Peavy 1000

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 18 May 2003 9:52 pm

Bob, I forgot to say that a good pair of locking forceps, with the curved tip are real handy for changeing those %#*&@*^ E-clips.

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Martin W. Emmons LG III 3/5 Peavy 1000

Brian Herder · Post by **Brian Herder** » 19 May 2003 5:21 am

I think Pep Boys has them.

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 19 May 2003 5:25 am

I think those clips are the worst feature of an otherwise fantastic instrument....

Jerry Roller · Post by **Jerry Roller** » 19 May 2003 6:59 am

Bob, if you give me your address I will mail you some clips immediately.
Jerry

Ron Randall · Post by **Ron Randall** » 19 May 2003 9:06 am

Just figured out what you all are talking about.

Around here we call 'em Geezuz Clips.

I mean, what do you say when taking one off, or puting one on? Huh?

Ron

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 19 May 2003 10:06 am

I use a pair of long nose visegrips that works good. I lock it on the e-clip to get it off and leave it locked in the jaws until I put it back on again. Not a problem!
Erv

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 19 May 2003 10:07 am

Bob,
Look in the yellow pages under "mill supply",they will have them and usually not very expensive. McMaster-Carr on the web also.

Ron,
That's not what I call em

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Bill Ford

George Crowder · Post by **George Crowder** » 19 May 2003 10:59 am

I found them at a building supply store (either Lowe's or Home Depot, I don't remember which). They were in a plastic package labeled E-clip 7/64". When removing them from the bell crank, I use a small screw driver to loosen them and then a pair of needle nose pliers to complete the removal. When replacing them, I make sure they are in the groove and then give them a nudge with the needle nose pliers. Listen for a click and then they are locked in. I haven't lost a single one since I started doing it this way.

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 19 May 2003 11:52 am

The best way I know of to remove or install these sapsuckers is with a set of "ring" pliers; available at auto parts stores and some hardware/home center stores. Be careful in spreading the E clips too far, lest they not hold good afterwards.

Incidently, there are three basic types of clips; "E"-clips, "C"-rings and "ring" clips (the latter have tiny holes in each end of the clip used on Emmons' P/P's). The ring pliers are designed for the ring clips, and their tiny pins fit into the holes; but they work good on E clips as well.

I have never seen an exact reoplacement (locally) for the particular E Clip that Emmons uses. Where they got them I have NO idea. If you own a LeGrande, best to keep a few on hand. Emmons will ship you a dozen for a small fee. Well worth having them, when ya need em.

The post about "I think those clips are the worst feature of an otherwise fantastic instrument" I agree with 100%. But considering WHY Ron Lashley used them; makes me agree more with his statement, "what else would you use?"

For those of you who do not know, the 14 hole bellcrank; the bent and grooved pull rod ends: and those infernal "E" clips make for the best (IMO) way I have ever seen when dealing with pull rods on a PSG. I know of NO method that is as good (in my opinion). Its advantages far outweigh the disavantages.

So "into each life, some rain must fall" is appropo in this case, I believe.

May Jesus bless you in your quests,

carl

William Peters · Post by **William Peters** » 19 May 2003 12:07 pm

Carl,

My Cougar had those pesky little E clips, which I promptly lost. I sent to Sid Tool, and got 100 little tiny hairpin clips which are much easier to install. It cost about $8.00 for the 100 including shipping. My rods are 1/8 inch though, which I gather is larger than the Emmons rods.

I think the miniature hitch pin clips that Mullen uses are a pretty good idea too.

Bill

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 19 May 2003 12:13 pm

I think the method used by Emmons has a lot to do with space consideration. Their design is very compact and sometimes that is needed in order to get everything hooked up correctly.
Erv

RON PRESTON · Post by **RON PRESTON** » 19 May 2003 5:41 pm

The pull rods are grooved at .015 of an inch. I was the one who machined MANY a rod for Jack Strayhorn and Ron Jr. for their guitars as they were building them. That got OLD FAST, Man

ALL DAY LONG, Groove, Check with an E-clip, Groove, Check with an E-clip, well, you get the picture...(You can't rush it when you are "in the groove". The E-clips' "opening" is .015 also. I have tied a .015 guitar string (a small piece) around the groove until I got it home. Now I carry several in my pac-a-seat. If your groove is wearing out, you can acually take a pair of pliers and bend the e-cilp closer together.

richard burton · Post by **richard burton** » 19 May 2003 9:28 pm

Zane Beck had a better idea, which didn't take up any more space; I think they are the clips car makers use on a carburettor.

Dan Dowd · Post by **Dan Dowd** » 20 May 2003 5:27 am

Richard, I have tried everywhere to find the carburator clips. If anybody knows where I can get some or the proper name they are called please let me know. I have been all over the net trying to find them. Thanks

Bob Knight · Post by **Bob Knight** » 20 May 2003 5:58 am

this type clip works on sho-buds.

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Michael Calaway · Post by **Michael Calaway** » 21 May 2003 9:36 am

Bob:Look on the internet at www.meyerretainingring.com and you'll find e-rings and also applicators to install them with.The rod on an Emmons is 7/64 or .110 and the retaing ring is .375 OD. The ring you probably need for the Emmons is Part# 5133-x11 and the applicator is AM6. I, not sure of the thickness of the E-Ring, you might check with the company. Also there are a couple of different kinds of applicators for e-rings and c-rings, but I could not find any but this one on line.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Michael Calaway on 21 May 2003 at 01:35 PM.]</p></FONT>

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 24 May 2003 9:28 am

I met one player in St. Louis who had his own "solution" to the problem! He went to a hardware jobber, and bought a pack of 100 e-clips (about $15, he said). Then he screwed a small magnet to the bottom of the guitar, and stuck a dozen or so E-clips to it, so whenever he lost one...he didn't even have to bother to look for it.

Dan Dowd · Post by **Dan Dowd** » 24 May 2003 3:18 pm

Thanks for the info Bob.

Bob Cox · Post by **Bob Cox** » 2 Jun 2003 5:29 pm

I found some at an auto parts store.I bought all they had.Taped one under body for spare.