Pedal removal

Paul Osbty · Post by **Paul Osbty** » 20 May 2003 12:02 pm

1. If I have 8 pedals, can some be (temporarily) removed for ease of transportation without affecting the operation of the remaining pedals?

2. On a double neck, are all of the pedals for one neck or are they used on one neck or the other?

Thanks. I don't have a steel yet, but this is part of my homework. I think it's easier to buy a pipe organ!

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 20 May 2003 12:07 pm

Paul,

Very respectfully, it depends on the make an model year of the guitar. Some are very easy, some are moderately hard. Yet others can be a real pain to remove pedals.

Good luck,

carl

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 20 May 2003 12:12 pm

Sure! Each one you remove will save you about a pound, and a few seconds of setup time. But do you consider this significant? If you want a "simple" steel, buy one. That way, you'll never have to answer the question..."Why did you do that?" when someone learns you've removed pedals!

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 20 May 2003 12:31 pm

Paul, on most double-necks about 3 pedals go to the E9 neck, and the rest to the C6 neck. Years ago Sho-Bud/Baldwin made a model called a crossover in which each pedal could go to both necks, doing different things on each neck of course. There was a lever that you threw to make the connection of all the pedals switch from one neck to the other. It was a very heavy complicated guitar that did not find much favor and was discontinued. Nowadays a few players are having custom jobs that attach pedals (or knee levers) to both necks. I think these work both necks all the time and don't get switched back and forth, but I don't know for sure. Maybe someone who has one will chime in.

This is not something a beginner needs to worry about much. Take Donny's advice (always seems to be good) and get something simple to start with.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 20 May 2003 12:47 pm

On my guitars (Sierra, Williams) it's pretty easy to remove pedals from the pedal bar.

On a standard D-10, the inner 5 pedals work the C6th neck. If you're playing the E9th neck exclusively, you could safely remove those pedals.

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Paul Osbty · Post by **Paul Osbty** » 20 May 2003 12:47 pm

Thanks everyone. I have only a few songs with the steel planned so far (two to be exact). I only need the A and the AB combo for these. Since I stand while playing, I will be making separate legs and extensions. So, I will make 2 pedal extensions for now and add more as I learn how to play this cyborg!

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 20 May 2003 5:53 pm

Paul,
Sit down,leave at least 3 pedals on E9 plus the knee levers,as you get more proficient,move to the next phase of your learning curve(more pedals/levers).Unless you'r going to play the bottom neck a non pedal tuning,standing can be a pain.
How you gonna operate vol pedal and A/B standing??
My 2 cents

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Paul Osbty · Post by **Paul Osbty** » 20 May 2003 11:15 pm

Thanks, Bill. I do have to keep that in mind.

Now that I think about it, is it common for an S-10 player to have/need 8 pedals?

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 21 May 2003 10:02 am

I've never seen an S-10 with 8 pedals. Most of them only have 3. They should have 4, IMHO.

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Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 21 May 2003 2:01 pm

Paul, you gotta sit down if you want to play standard pedal steel. A standard setup for and S-10 E9 is 3 pedals and 4 knee levers. Some people get fancy with maybe 4 pedals and 5 knees. How you gonna use those knee levers standing up? Also, the volume pedal is a big part of getting that liquid sustain. Plenty of non-pedal steelers stand up and put one foot on the volume pedal, but pedalers sit down.