The old "16-string" Sho~Buds

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 8 May 2003 5:05 pm

Shot Jackson made at least 2 guitars that I know of (a single-neck and a double-neck) that had a 16-string neck, which was and 8-string neck with doubled strings (like a 12-string guitar). Whatever became of them? I know Buddy Charleton used one on the "Mr. and Mrs. Used-To-Be" album, by Ernest Tubb and Loretta Lynn, and it was a beautifully different sound.

Does anyone know what happened to these guitars?

Graham · Post by **Graham** » 8 May 2003 5:34 pm

Donny:
I believe Bob Lucier from Canada had one of them at one time. He recorded a record with Shot Jackson on which he played it.

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Mike Sweeney · Post by **Mike Sweeney** » 8 May 2003 7:38 pm

Donny,

There was also a triple neck. Bobbe Seymore had it at his shop about three years ago.

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 8 May 2003 7:43 pm

Was this not the guitar that BE used on the album with he and Shot Jackson; where on a couple tunes it almost emulated a "bagpipe" droan sound?

Buddy can you help out here?

thanks,

carl

Al Udeen · Post by **Al Udeen** » 8 May 2003 9:15 pm

I recall Hal Rugg cutting at least one song with, Wanda Jackson with a double stringed Sho-Bud, au

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 8 May 2003 9:57 pm

I remember reading somewhere, that Buddy used the triple neck on some of the tunes on Cherokee Cowboys' Western Strings album???

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 8 May 2003 10:23 pm

Were they tuned in octaves? How did they pull the different guages strings in tune? Did they have 16 changer fingers? And if they did, how did they get the pairs of string close enough together?

This is very interesting, and if they relly worked, I'd love to get my hands on one of these puppies.

c c johnson · Post by **c c johnson** » 9 May 2003 3:35 am

I had the 2nd one made according to Shot. It was 2 10 strg necks and one 16 strg tuned to octs. Front and side panels were coco-bolo as well as the necks and the top was birdseye maple. I was in a rock band at the time and using a chordavox. The 16 strg neck through the chordavox gave the band the best organ sound they ever had. By slowing the chordavox it would give a pretty good electric piano sound.I traded it to Reece for a dlb 10 and this was when MSA was on Tyler St in south oak cliff. Julian Thorpe was there at the time and wanted it except he was used to 12 strgs and didn't want to relearn. This guitar had a little brass plate on the platform saying "aloha"; that my grand daughter put on it . Great guitar.

Ed Naylor · Post by **Ed Naylor** » 9 May 2003 4:23 am

I think I have a picture somewhere of the S16 - it had been coverted to a S-10. I have the original 16 string keyhead. I also have Hal Rugg S-10 keyless that he used on some Nat Stucky records. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works.

Dan Dowd · Post by **Dan Dowd** » 9 May 2003 4:48 am

I was at Shots Shop with Gene Hilts (when I lived in Buffalo NY)back in the early 60's when Shot built the 1st one. Jimmy Day was there playing it all day. Later that nite he was at the (I think)Andrew Jackson hotel, at the time the DJ convention was held in Nashville and played it all nite until the next day. He did a demo with Donna Darline playing the 16 string. It had a very unusual sound and was a bear to tune up.

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 9 May 2003 4:59 am

Yes, it would be real Kewl
if we could get to see a/or some Pics on these Puppies, Babies, or Darlins !

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Chris Bauer · Post by **Chris Bauer** » 9 May 2003 5:18 am

Isn't there one hanging on the wall behind Pete Drake on the cover of one of his Starday albums?

Paul Warnik · Post by **Paul Warnik** » 9 May 2003 5:49 am

Chas Smith now owns a Sho-Bud that he got from me affectionately called "Mothra" Triple neck cabinet end 16-11-11 with 11 pedals and 1 knee-One of the largest pedal steels in existance

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 9 May 2003 6:13 am

I saw a Sho-Bud D-16 at a rehearsal studio (Poco) in 1974.

c c johnson · Post by **c c johnson** » 9 May 2003 7:01 am

I had no problems with tuning. The ten strg necks had the std sho bud fingers while the 16 strg neck fingers were 1/4 the width. I was tuned to E9 w'o the chromatics. I wanted the b to c# change and shot said it could not be done but he did it anyway using a knurled tuning knob underneath the guitar. Jimmy played mine about 4-6 months after I received it and he said that it was a world of difference from the ist one. I may have a pic in my archives but I will have to send it to one of you fellows with some smart to post it. CC

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 9 May 2003 8:11 am

<SMALL>I know Buddy Charleton used one on the "Mr. and Mrs. Used-To-Be" album, by Ernest Tubb and Loretta Lynn, and it was a beautifully different sound.</SMALL>

So that´s why! I always wondered how he got that sound and was about to ask if maybe he used some early octave doubling effect but that would have seemed far advanced for 1965...
Thanks for the info.

Joe H.

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 9 May 2003 10:38 am

To reiterate what Paul said, I have the triple 16-11-11 with 11p and 1k (3 peds on the 16, 3 peds on E9 and 5peds on C6). Evidently, it was made for Bobby Garrett. It has Brazilian rosewood aprons, necks and cabinet ends with 3/4" marketry (sp?) and the top is birdseye maple. The changers are of the fingertip variety. It has begun the lengthy journey of being restored as have some of its brethren.

Graham · Post by **Graham** » 9 May 2003 3:19 pm

From the Steel Guitars of Canada catalogue.

Shot Jackson (Dobro) & Bob Lucier (Pedal Steel)

(Various Songs Feature Bob Lucier on the Dual-16 String Sho-Bud)

'Sail Along' [2 Albums on 1 Cassette or CD]

Straight Ahead, Cold Cold Heart, Have I Told You Lately That I Love You, Kentucky Waltz, Love Is No Excuse, Funky Cannonball, Take These Chains, Tennessee Waltz, We Could, Green Green Grass Of Home, There Goes My Everything, Until The Next Teardrop Falls, Daydreams About Night Things, Sail Along, Moonlight Bay, Slowly, There'll Be No Teardrops Tonight, She Thinks I Still Care, Sweet Dreams, City Lights.

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Gary Preston · Post by **Gary Preston** » 13 May 2003 6:13 pm

GENTLEMEN , my friend has one of these animals and it is still alive !! i've never seen it yet but i cant wait to, he said it is really heavy, he played with the late jim reeves and jimmy dickens and the kendals and he is still a good musician at the age of ''65''we get together at my house and he plays my SHO-BUD OR MY WILLIAMS and i enjoy his style. his name is WALT WILSON. thanks ,, G.P.