| Author |
Topic: PP Help |
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 2 Apr 2013 6:37 pm |
|
Okay, I wasn't happy with the travel on my PP for the E to F raise. I decided to make a minor adjustment. Granted bad idea. The problem now, I can not lower to Eb from E The E to F is perfect. when I lower it does lower a little, but not to an Eb. I don't see any adjustment. I have tried the end plate adjustment several times.
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
|
Posted 2 Apr 2013 6:48 pm
|
|
Robert, on a PP. You must adjust,(Tune) the lowers first.You'll need more slack in the raise rod or rods Judging from what you wrote. Then tune the raise or raises. Hope this helps.
bb
(EDIT) The F# note or any string that's pulled the longest distance should pull up firm to the stop plate. The F note will have to float somewhere in the middle. |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 2 Apr 2013 6:57 pm Thanks
|
|
I believe you are correct. I just need to find out where the tension is and release that unneeded tension and readjust from scratch
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
|
Posted 2 Apr 2013 7:26 pm
|
|
On a push-pull guitar the raises defeat the lowers, so you must have enough slack in each raise mechanism to fully accomodate the lowering movement of the changer finger.
It sounds like at least some of the slack you took out or your raise mechanism was necessary for the changer finger to lower fully to the note you desire. To check this, Loosen the raise collar and see if your lower returns all the way to the stop again. If this is the case, continue holding the lower lever in place and take up the slack in the raise rod before re-tightening the raise collar in place. This should give you the minimum slack while allowing adequate movement of the changer. |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 3 Apr 2013 8:27 pm Not making any headway
|
|
In desperation I lossened the things holding the raise lever completely, to no avail. I can see the fingers move when I engage the lever, the 8th string works great. However even though I see movement when I engage the lever the string on the nut does not move. This appears to be a two part thing the part the string is attached doesnot move, However the other part that should be lowering the string does move. I guess I am going to have to find some local help or drive to cashville to see Bobbe
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
|
Posted 3 Apr 2013 9:32 pm
|
|
What happens when you push the finger to the Eb using your fingers and not the lever?
In your first post you mention making an adjustment. What did you do?
_________________
Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
|
|
|
richard burton
From:
Britain
|
Posted 3 Apr 2013 10:29 pm
|
|
Have you altered the position of the fourth string raise collar, activated by the 'C' pedal?
If that collar has been moved closer to the changer (to lessen the amount of 'C' pedal movement), the result will be that the fourth string will not lower enough.
Always look at the mechanism of a push-pull, analysing what each collar, bellcrank, raise rod, lowering rod, etc, does, and how they all interact with one another, before you start messing with it, not after |
|
|
|
Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
|
Posted 4 Apr 2013 2:55 am
|
|
Okay, the string attaches to the raise finger, which sits in the lowering finger.
If you try to lower it and the raise finger stays still, I bet you'll see a rod that's stopping it from getting to D#. I bet you accidentally took out all the slack
_________________
2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
|
|
|
Jack Goodson
From:
new brockton,alabama (deceased)
|
Posted 4 Apr 2013 7:22 am pp
|
|
| robert: not sure where you live in alabama, but if you could bring me the guitar i will be glad to get er going....thanks jack |
|
|
|
richard burton
From:
Britain
|
Posted 4 Apr 2013 8:46 am
|
|
| Lane Gray wrote: |
I bet you accidentally took out all the slack |
No $hit, Sherlock !!  |
|
|
|
Jerry Jones
From:
Franklin, Tenn.
|
Posted 4 Apr 2013 11:18 am
|
|
If you have activated (lowered) your changer by hand, make sure the push rod did not slip out of the hole in the lowering finger......also, check that all of your lowering fingers are aligned in a row.
Visually, the gap between your pedal 3/string4 swivel and the stop collar behind should be about 3/16".
_________________
Jerry Jones |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 6 Apr 2013 7:11 pm Thanks Guys
|
|
Thank every one for the suggestion. Richatd you were correct. I took it to a local player who had years of experience a great player took a few moments to diagnosis and about an hour to get it all back into tune. I just spent an hour pickng at the guitar and enjoyed the experience. I like great player to plick it, but the licks never seem to stay in it
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 6 Apr 2013 7:20 pm Problem
|
|
Lane you were also right. Since I wanted to change the travel of the E raise, I only tweeked the raise pull rods. I guess I moved that collar by mistake and did not realize I had moved that collar. I have first learned a valuable lessons. I will not tinker with the carriage again. Especially after working all day then waiting to 9 10 oclock at night to tinker thighter on a PP does not mean better. I also learned that the changer is actually toe pieces. The I guess fingure the string is attached too has a lever next too it that actually moves the fingure. I would like to see a picture of the changer disassembled. However I have NO intention of tearing that or an PP changer apart. You gus that work on these changer are brave souls
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 6 Apr 2013 7:21 pm Problem
|
|
Lane you were also right. Since I wanted to change the travel of the E raise, I only tweeked the raise pull rods. I guess I moved that collar by mistake and did not realize I had moved that collar. I have first learned a valuable lessons. I will not tinker with the carriage again. Especially after working all day then waiting to 9 10 oclock at night to tinker thighter on a PP does not mean better. I also learned that the changer is actually toe pieces. The I guess fingure the string is attached too has a lever next too it that actually moves the fingure. I would like to see a picture of the changer disassembled. However I have NO intention of tearing that or an PP changer apart. You gus that work on these changer are brave souls
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 6 Apr 2013 7:24 pm Jack
|
|
I am in the outskirts of Birmingham. I would have came there I am not good with the steel, but I love the darn thing. I cant leave it alone. Yes addictive/
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
|
Posted 8 Apr 2013 3:17 am
|
|
Here's a handy-dandy diagram.
http://steelguitar.com/maps/changerPP.html
It explains how it works
_________________
2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
|
|
|
Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
|
Posted 9 Apr 2013 10:18 am Lane
|
|
Thanks for the diagram
_________________
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first begin to deceive" Someone Famous |
|
|
|
