2nd String Lower ?

Allan Thompson · Post by **Allan Thompson** » 24 Feb 2003 2:37 am

For those of you who split the 2nd string lower to two knee levers, what other changes do you have on them. I have my RKR lowering 2nd to D and raising 7th to G. I am thinking about adding the whole tone lower on the second string to my LKR, that lever lowers strings 4&8 a half tone. Any help on where to have the whole tone change would be greatly appreciated. My old Push Pull has a real positive half stop, on my newer guitar an all pull I want to split it. Thanks in advance.

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 24 Feb 2003 4:17 am

Allen,

mp3 example below...

I have not seen many split this change although I am certain some are..If it is possible you may consider putting the change on the same lever.

The second string full tone lower is very powerfull with the A pedal and E raise lever
so it would seem natural to put them on opposite sides of the guitar.

I raise the second Eb to E on the RKL and also raise the 7th string F# to G# on the same lever.

The second string 1/2 step raise is also a real nice addition as well. The raise offers a unison tone with the 4th string natural .

I lower the 2nd string D/C# on RKR and also lower the 9th string D to C# with the same lever.

I'm thinking it is most common to have the 4 note change ( 2nd string) on the right leg (raise ,nautural, 1/2 lower, full lower).

There is a lot of music coming off of the second string which along with the A pedal , B pedal and E levers offers some incredible phrasing.

The 2nd string raise, the 7th string raise and the 9th string lower are fairly new changes for me and after using them all now for a few months it's hard to imagine a Steel without them .

Here is an example of all the tones from the second string, the 7th string and the 9th string lower, which on the last phrase is on the same knee lever as the second string lower, I don't know how I did it but the 9th string lower comes after the second string 1/2 step lower on the same lever. And please keep in mind I am new at this ..so listen with caution..

I would put all this stuff on the right leg if at all possible. But then again thats just me...

example

The first phrase starts with the 2nd string full lower along with the A pedal and E rasie lever and resolves with the full lower .

The second phrase starts with the 2nd string raise along with the 4th string natural and ends with the 7th string raise , B pedal and the E lower lever

The last phrase uses the 2nd string 1/2 lower and ends with the 9th string lower.

tp[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 24 February 2003 at 05:29 AM.][This message was edited by Tony Prior on 24 February 2003 at 05:31 AM.]

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 24 Feb 2003 7:55 am

I don't split it on my D-10. I do on my universal. It is as follows:

LKL2 lowers 2 a half tone, raises 9 and 10 a tone and a half.

RKR2 lowers 2 a whole tone, raises 9 a whole tone and loweres 12 a whole tone.

To relate to a U-12 note the following:

1 F#
2 D#
3 G#
4 E
6 B
6 G#
7 F#
8 E
9 B
10 G#
11 E
12 B

If I were to split them on my D-10, I would:

1. Lower 2 a whole tone on RKR, and lower 9 a half tone.

2. Install a 2nd LKR and lower 2 a half tone.

The reason is, I would not want to sacrifice any other knee lever change that I already have. And since I have 6 knee levers working E9th, a 2nd LKR is the ONLY place I know of where it would work without hurting something else.

carl [This message was edited by C Dixon on 24 February 2003 at 10:06 AM.]

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 24 Feb 2003 11:55 am

This is how I do it.
<pre>
P1 P2 P3 LKL1 LKL2 LKV LKR RKL RKR
(E9th)
(012) F# G# G
(015) D# E D D/C#
(012) G# A
(014) E F# F F# Eb
(018) B C# C#
(022w)G# A F#
(026) F# E
(030) E F# F D Eb
(034) D C#
(038) B C#
</pre>
Ricky

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 28 Feb 2003 12:41 am

Ricky, what kind of licks do you get with the LKL2? Thanks.

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 28 Feb 2003 1:15 pm

Hey Kenny; there's just waaay too many to describe here pal...ah..ha.
Just let your imagination be your guide...as that's how I determine my Copedants on each pedal steel.
...and besides...I've already changed that Knee lever to lower 5th;6th; and 10th strings a Whole tone..yee haaa again..
I change "Changes" alot> just depends on how I feel that morning...ah..ha..again

Ricky

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Feb 2003 4:03 pm

Lowering the 10th string a full tone with the same lever that lowers the 2nd string a full tone will give you one of the most beautiful IV-V7 changes you've ever heard! Also, that low "A" really works great for copping those "Don Rich licks", and it comes in handy for playing "power chords", too!