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Olli Haavisto
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Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 6 Dec 2012 11:05 am |
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Is it OK to use a Genesis effects pedal with a Revelation preamp?
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Stephen Cowell
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Round Rock, Texas, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2012 12:01 am
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Only if you run a Prophet 5 into it.
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Dom Franco
From:
Beaverton, OR, 97007
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2012 11:04 pm
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Olli,
the Genesis could be run ok in the front loop, after the volume pedal. The rear FX loop needs a unit that can run reverb and delay IN PARALLEL and at 100% wet, zero dry signal. That's how the Rev's rear FX loop works. It's like a mix console where you use the Revelation's FX knob to blend the effects in along side (parallel) with the dry signal. This keeps the guitar 100% tube-analog and the digital effects get blended in.
Personally, I wouldn't use the Genesis with the Rev. It's a pretty low-quality, crappy signal path kind of device. If someone has paid for a Rev, they're paying for an expensive, boutique signal path and it would not make sense to reduce the guitar's signal path quality by passing thru the Genesis or similar because that messes with the raw, dry guitar signal path. With the rear loop, the guitar's integrity is protected. I don't believe the Genesis would work in the rear loop because of the hotter, line-level send and also the ability to route the delay and reverb properly.
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Darrell Owens
From:
California, USA
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Posted 21 Dec 2012 8:02 pm Fx
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Brad,
Can you recommend an effect device that is clean enough to use with the Revelation Pre Amp?
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Zum Steel, Little Walter Amp, Benado Steel Dream
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John Neff
From:
Athens, GA
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 12:37 am
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Brad,
What reverb/delay do you recommend OTHER THAN a T.C. Electronics product, for the Revelation? I've been through customer service hell with them. It's been horrible. My M-One would freeze up, I paid them to repair it, and got it back twice unrepaired. |
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Bill Miller
From:
Gaspe, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 6:00 am
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| What reverb/delay do you recommend OTHER THAN a T.C. Electronics product, for the Revelation? I've been through customer service hell with them. |
Oh, oh. Sorry to hear that John. Looks like some things never change. A few years ago I had the same customer service issues over another of their rackmount effects processors. It got very heated and to make a long story short they finally gave me a new unit that has been trouble free. Mind you, that was just about the time the United Nations was to get involved. 
Brad Sarno was very supportive throughout and personally interceded with T.C. Electronics on my behalf at one point, which I thought was pretty special.
Some people use a Lexicon processor with the Revelation preamp. I think the quality is probably better but they are generally more expensive. Never used one so I can't compare. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 3:53 pm
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If you only use reverb & delay I use pedals in front of one of my Realation preamps
and in another I use a GP-100 with the preamp shut off. I have never had a problem and like the flexibilty of all Brads products. Nice guy too!
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 22 Dec 2012 3:54 pm
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If you only use reverb & delay I use pedals in front of one of my Realation preamps
and in another I use a GP-100 with the preamp shut off. I have never had a problem and like the flexibilty of all Brads products. Nice guy too!
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Dave Diehl
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Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2012 8:30 am
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| I have used the Lexicon MPX 1 with my Revelation for a few years with really good results. Never had a problem with the combination. I recently acquired a M-One XL and hooked it up to the Revelation and it sounded a little distorted so I switched back to the MPX 1. In fact, the M-One XL sounded somewhat distorted with another high end Preamp I have and the MPX 1 sounds great with that one as well. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 23 Dec 2012 9:05 am
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| Some effect units have a +- gain switch or a signal strength knob so if the signal is maxed out going into a preamp send & return it may distort. |
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Dave Diehl
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Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2012 9:51 am
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| You're right but I set all those correctly to clean it up as much as possible and it still was not as clear and lush as the Lexicon effects. |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2012 7:30 pm
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2012 10:27 pm
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I kind of like the idea of a rack mounted reverb set to 100% wet and mixed with the Rev's FX knob. This allows nearly ANY effects unit to be used since it's just one single effect. Then get a good delay pedal with tap tempo or just a good sounding delay pedal and place it right after the volume pedal. I've found this to work really well.
So far, the nicest sounds I've heard have been with the Lexicon MPX-1 set up with delay and reverb, each on it's own "path" inside the Lexicon, run in "parallel", each mixed at 100% wet, and then the blend of delay/reverb is mixed into the Rev with the Rev's FX knob. The Lexicon is frustrating to set up this way, but once it's there, I don't know if there are many better options.
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Dave Diehl
From:
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2012 11:35 am
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| It is a little trying at first but once you do it a couple times and get familar with the programming steps, it's pretty simple. The hardest part is deciding what you want to do. You have so many options and unless your familar with the terminology of the effects, it turns into a trial and error method to find the settings you want. But the pathway options are pretty straight forward. |
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Kerry Johnson
From:
the Bay Area, CA
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Posted 28 Dec 2012 12:03 pm Lexicon MPX-1 settings > Revelation Pre
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Hey Guys
What PRESET number 1-199 in the Lexicon MPX-1 did you start with, to program the above "Parallel" mix.
Is there one Preset# 1-199,that works better than another to set this up for programming?
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Kerry Johnson
From:
the Bay Area, CA
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Posted 8 Jan 2013 7:35 pm
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Jonathan Cullifer
From:
Gallatin, TN
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Posted 8 Jan 2013 8:21 pm
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I didn't start with a preset, just started creating things from scratch...once you do understand how to set up the MPX1, it's pretty easy to edit pretty much anything. Steep learning curve though.
My biggest gripe with the MPX1 is that the topology is more suited to running post-the Revelation and not in the effects loop. In the effects loop, it's most suited for running one effect at a time. Consequently, that's what I do almost exclusively: Delay only in the studio and reverb only live. |
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