D# -> D -> C# : 1 lever or 2 ?

Don Walters · Post by **Don Walters** » 2 Dec 2002 7:50 am

I know this has been discussed at various times, but it would be interesting to have it summarized here. So ..

Do you prefer the type of change described to be on 1 lever or 2?

I'll start. I'm not good at feeling the 1/2 stop so I've put the changes on RKR and LKR

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 2 Dec 2002 8:34 am

my second string raise , Eb to E is on the right knee going left.
The second string double ( D/C#) lower is on the right knee going right. The half step is a fairly positive feel on my Carter. I like being able to play 4 notes off of the second string on one knee cap. Raise, natural, 1/2 step lower, full step lower.
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Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 2 Dec 2002 8:42 am

I use 2 levers for that change, too. I use the D#-D in a lot of fast stuff, and just can't "hit the split" fast and accurately. Some steelers (Weldon Myrick, for one) tuned the 2nd to a D because they only had single raise/lower changers in the old days. That way, they could still get all three notes (D#,D,C#) on the 2nd string. Only a very few kept the idea when better steels came around, though.[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 02 December 2002 at 02:24 PM.]

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 2 Dec 2002 9:10 am

I use 2. I tune the strung to C# and nraise it to D on the RKR which also lowers my 8th string down to D on my U-12. I raise the string to D# on my RKL, which also lowers my 11th string to C#.

I think tuning the 2nd string to C# and raising it has some advantages over tuning it to D# and lowering it. Especially for U-12 players.

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Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 2 Dec 2002 9:24 am

I use 2 levers for the same reason Donny does.

On my Zum U12: LKR = D#->D, RKR = D#->C#

On the ZB D10: LKV = D#->D, RKR = D#->C#

Jerry Erickson · Post by **Jerry Erickson** » 2 Dec 2002 9:18 pm

I also split my knees,but then I also tune the 2nd string to D. It's all Jimmy Crawford's fault. For me it's:
LKR D - C#
G#- F#
RKR D - D#
F#- G
P8 F#- G strings 1 & 2
D - E

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 3 Dec 2002 8:36 am

I put them on separate levers.

Every guitar I've bought, I've tried to do the half-stop thing on. I can never get a solid enough D, and end up going to two levers. The D note is as important as the D# - both of them need to be in tune. I just can't muster the skill to land on a soft half-stop accurately.

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 4 Dec 2002 4:54 am

Think I'll try putting the half step lower on a different lever..like b0b, I'm not that skilled to get the 1/2 step stop on pitch every time..and I do like using it.( when I remember )

I see many of you put the half step on the LKR along with I imagine the E lowers, correct ?

tp

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 4 Dec 2002 9:11 am

Here is how I have my E9th set up...and love it...
<pre>
P1 P2 P3 LKL1 LKL2 LKV LKR RKL RKR
(E9th)
(012) F# G# G
(015) D# E D D/C#
(012) G# A
(014) E F# F F# Eb
(018) B C# C#
(022w)G# A F#
(026) F# E
(030) E F# F D Eb
(034) D C#
(038) B C#
</pre>

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Tony Dingus · Post by **Tony Dingus** » 4 Dec 2002 9:21 am

I have mine on the RKL and can feel the 1/2
stop better on this lever than the RKR.
Tony

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 4 Dec 2002 9:45 am

In case anyone is interested, I have a modern steel which does the 2nd string half-stop using the 9th string lower. This is a pretty common technique on modern guitars, as many of you know. What I did to improve the solidity of the stop (besides tightening the return spring for the 9th string) is to put a C6 lower on that same knee lever and time the lower to match the 9th string lower (this took a lot of work; it is important to have them lower at exactly the same point. It is important to also use the same types of replacement strings so that the lowers remain constant and properly matched after string changes). This gives me literally twice the solidity. Since the half-stop has to be tuned once in a while, it takes a little extra work. But I do get a noticeably more solid 1/2 stop this way.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 4 Dec 2002 12:20 pm

Tony:
I'm with you. I also changed it to RKL. I seem to have better control.
Erv