Sho Bud pros and cons?

Larry Otis · Post by **Larry Otis** » 27 Oct 2012 7:14 pm

So after digesting all of the above with great gratitude.....I bought this on Ebay. It is immaculate! near mint! Changed strings, lubed it and tweaked on it awhile and it runs like new. Never been touched! Not one unused hole underneath. The case doesn't even have any wear! I love this thing and here it is! much prettier in person than this. Thank you!

Daniel Policarpo · Post by **Daniel Policarpo** » 28 Oct 2012 4:29 am

Perfect!

Eric Philippsen · Post by **Eric Philippsen** » 28 Oct 2012 1:19 pm

Larry,

Last week I bought your guitar's little brother. A red Pro-1 3+3. Unused. Now, I'm a push-pull guy but started out on a Super-Pro decades ago. Sold that guitar some 10 years ago. Then I saw this Sho-Bud and, heck, I'm lovin' it! Stunning color!

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 28 Oct 2012 2:31 pm

Sweet.

Jim Bates · Post by **Jim Bates** » 29 Oct 2012 9:03 am

In general, each of my four previous Sho-Buds had stiffer knee levers than my Emmons LeGrand. Plus, they are heavier than the newer brands.

Other than that, all of them never had any tuning problems, and string breakage was usually only on the .011 and .018 strings, which is normal, after several gigs. I still have a Super Pro with my original BL-705 p/u's on it. Great sound! Very dependable.

Thanx,
Jim

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 1 Nov 2012 1:10 pm

For the problem in restringing the .018, just widen that wishbone with a screwdriver so the string will fit. (from anonyomous)

I can't count the number of string changes I made where I didn't change the .o18 because of the difficulty of doing it.

mike nolan · Post by **mike nolan** » 1 Nov 2012 6:50 pm

Good buy.... I have a similar era S-10, and it is probably my all-time favorite steel.
Mine never breaks strings....
And Bo..... I only tuned my PP once.

Adam Sorber · Post by **Adam Sorber** » 5 Nov 2012 5:53 am

I own two mid 70's pro II's that I use for both live shows and recording sessions. Tried lots of guitars over the years. Nothing compares to the tone of a Bud for me. No tuning problems. minimal string breakage.(usually breaks only occur if I have neglected string changes) Shobuds are great guitars when setup properly. And when I have broken a string it takes me about 1/2 a song to have her restrung and retuned.

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » 12 Nov 2012 7:53 am

How old would a Shobud S10 be and were they a professional model or a student and were they a good model; free from cabinet drop etc? James Taylor

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 12 Nov 2012 9:16 am

James,
The student model Sho buds are called "mavericks". The pro level S10 Sho Buds are fine instruments and there value is based on there condition.
Basically all steels have "cabinet drop". It is not a factor when it comes to what is thought of as a pro level instrument. For instance Sho Bud, Franklin steels and old Emmons Push Pulls have noticeable cabinet drop.

Ken Byng · Post by **Ken Byng** » 12 Nov 2012 9:46 am

Sho~Buds have character. Something that many modern guitars can only aspire to have. They can often be picked up at reasonable prices, and usually have great tone and wood.

The punched out zinc parts are a downside on guitars from that era, but they are easily replaced these days with so many people producing replacement 'Bud parts.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 12 Nov 2012 10:52 am

"How old would a Shobud S10 be "

I have a '67. The oldest that I have personally seen was a '63/'64 Fingertip. But I'm certain there are many even older ones out there. I just haven't seen them. I'll bet that a lot of them are C6th, or other 6th tunings, guitars.

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » 12 Nov 2012 2:49 pm

Hi and thank you all for your expert experience on the Shobud .I am told this one is 1970's and has 4 knee leavers-the teardrop style - as can be seen in the photograph. Should I be careful of cabinet drop and would the mechanisim be a good set up on that age of instrument. I am assured it is in first class condition with paint work as new, JAMES TAYLOR

The picture is included here

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 12 Nov 2012 2:53 pm

James Taylor wrote:How old would a Shobud S10 be and were they a professional model or a student and were they a good model; free from cabinet drop etc? James Taylor

The very first Sho~Bud pedal steel WAS, in fact, a single neck, but an S-8, not an S-10. This would be the Don Warden guitar he played for decade after decade with the Wagonmasters, Porter W.'s band.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 12 Nov 2012 2:54 pm

How about a pic of the underside? The mechanical workings.

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » 12 Nov 2012 3:03 pm

Hi John, This is the only picture I have, but I will try for more . I am told it is tuned to E9 and it is in excellant condition and stays in tune .thanks for your help -I am green as the guitar! JAMES TAYLOR

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » 13 Nov 2012 1:51 am

Hi John, hope these pictures are alright

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » 13 Nov 2012 1:59 am

Hi Larry, your picture looks very similar to the one I have incerted ; is it an S 10 too?

Larry Otis · Post by **Larry Otis** » 13 Nov 2012 6:47 am

James,
Mine is an S12. An '81 to be exact. Yours looks pretty unmolested as does mine! Regards, Larry

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 13 Nov 2012 9:59 am

Sho bud steels sound and play as good as any steel ever made.. I love the action... However over the years I have found them to be very hit or miss as far as tuning stability is concerned.. I know I will get arguments, but some just will not stay in tune at all.. I know , I have owned 8 buds over the past 35 years, Many DO stay in tune I realize that... I am looking for a good stable S 10 as we "speak"... I WILL find an S 10 Bud that plays and STAYS in tune one day.. There is one around, I just haven't found mine yet.. I have a feeling the Buds that stay in tune well don't get passed around much.... bob

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » 13 Nov 2012 11:51 am

Thanks Larry and Bob for your input . I guess it is quite hard to tell if an instrument is that good even from photographs. I suppose there is an element of chance in it. James taylor

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