Lloyd Green Change.

Allan Thompson · Post by **Allan Thompson** » 1 Nov 2002 4:50 am

I read in the tab section that Lloyd uses his 4th string raise to F#( C-pedal) as he lowers his 8th string to Eb. Has anybody tried these two moves on one knee lever?

Bob Tuttle · Post by **Bob Tuttle** » 1 Nov 2002 6:23 am

Curly Chalker had that combination on one of his knee levers on his E9th neck.

MARK GILES · Post by **MARK GILES** » 1 Nov 2002 9:01 am

I have those changes on one knee lever. strings 4 and 8 both raise to F# and both lower to Eb. Couldn't do without it.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 1 Nov 2002 12:10 pm

You can do that on an Emmons push-pull, even if your lever lowers the 4th string. Raises win on a push-pull - there's no split to deal with.

If you lower string 8 with B+C, you get a very useful B9th chord (at the nut). This is a distinct advantage on the push-pull, or on any all-pull that doesn't lower 4 and 8 together.

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Gary Walker · Post by **Gary Walker** » 1 Nov 2002 3:06 pm

Bob is right, Curly didn't lower the 4th. It makes for interesting changes from the norm. Jay Dee encourages the player to use the 2nd string instead of lowering the 4th on some phrasings. After a while, you'll not miss the 4th lowering. I have been considering making that change also after all these years.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 1 Nov 2002 3:53 pm

Back in the days of 1 or 2 knee levers, it may have been a good sacrifice (losing the 4th lower), but with the plethora of knee levers that most modern guitars have, I think it's a change worth keeping, as it makes playing easier, and gives "smoother" transitions. I do believe I heard Lloyd say once that he dropped that 4th-lower change on his old Sho~Bud because he had problems keeping the 4th string in tune. We no longer have those problems with most modern guitars.