Extended E-9th

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 22 Oct 2002 3:37 pm

Drew
Could you please explain which strings/notes you play to get the V mi ??? I don´t understand that one. The F#-F on string 1 does the same as B-Bb on string 5 when you compare string 5 2 1 with 8 6 5 while the F#-G# will do the same as the A pedal.
Bengt

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 22 Oct 2002 5:54 pm

Drew,
I tried but I couldn't get it to come out right. I'll try to email you the thing as it works on email but not on the Forum. I don't know how to post a copedant the right way....Have a good 'un, Jerry [This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 22 October 2002 at 06:57 PM.]

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 23 Oct 2002 7:49 am

Hi Drew , good to see your post. Looks like a good setup.

Here is a good Extended E9 setup with 5/5 that might work for some guys.

<pre>
LKL LKV LKR 1 2 3 4 5 RKL RKR
F#
D# D D C#
G# A
E F F# D#
B Bb C#
G# A A#
F# F
E F D F# D#
C# D
B C#
G# A
E C# F

</pre>

It's not perfect but will do the job with fewer pedals and knee levers......al

[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 23 October 2002 at 08:53 AM.]

Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 23 Oct 2002 10:47 pm

Drew,

Here is the basic (first attempt) set-up I am using. I have 3 levers in the "not decided" category. The "i" on the knee levers denotes "inside location" on the clusters. I will update this as it takes shape.

[This message was edited by Terry Wendt on 25 October 2002 at 01:02 AM.]

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 24 Oct 2002 9:06 am

Since everyone's doing it, I might as well post mine:
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Pedals 1 and 5 are optional and experimental - I only use them for special effects and could play without them just fine. The middle 3 pedals and the 5 levers are pretty much what I've been using for over 20 years. A few years back I swapped LKR and RKL. I like it best the way it is now.

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Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 24 Oct 2002 4:14 pm

Bobby
On your Sierra Session SD12, is the LKV split-tuned w/RKL so you get a F note using both and can you play LKV together w LKR?

Bengt
ZumSteel S12 extE9

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 24 Oct 2002 4:45 pm

No and No. I used to have it split-tuned but I didn't use it so I abandoned it. LKV + LKR isn't possible on this guitar, because the pivot point for the vertical isn't far enough to the right of the knee lever.

Whip Lashaway · Post by **Whip Lashaway** » 25 Oct 2002 12:19 pm

Terry
I checked out your 13 string tuning. That's pretty much what I have. I don't have the low D string and a couple of the pedals are shuffled up a little but it's essentually the same thing. I agree with you, I love it.

Whip

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rhcarden · Post by **rhcarden** » 25 Oct 2002 12:36 pm

Something to kick around!

<pre> 13 String Extended E-9TH / E-13th Tuning

LKL1 LKL2 LKV1 LKV2 LKR 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 RKL RKR
1 F# G/G#
2 D# E D/C#
3 G# A A
4 E D# F F#
5 B C D A C# Bb C#
6 G# F# A B A
7 F# G G# F
8 E D# F
9 D C#
10 B C C#
11 G# A
12 F#
13 E D </pre>

Drew Howard · Post by **Drew Howard** » 25 Oct 2002 1:38 pm

Bengt Erlandsen asked:

"Drew
Could you please explain which strings/notes you play to get the V mi ???"

WHOOPS. Thanks for pointing that out, Bengt. I could accomplish the Vmi with the 2nd string lower. I guess I misunderstood what you were using the change for.

Drew

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Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 25 Oct 2002 7:26 pm

Yep, the 2nd string lower controls the 3rd of the Vchord.
One use for the F#-F on 1st string is: with Apedal down & F#-F play strings 5 2 4 1 3 in that order and back again and you have the notes Root 2 b3 3 5 which due to fingering can be played pretty fast. If you don´t have the F#-F change and want to try this change (or any other single string lower/pull) just detune the respective string to the desired note and use tip of bar to play what was the original note and slide back to hear how any change would sound like. For the pull just use tip of bar on any string you like to try a pull on. This of course works only in open position but it is faster than go underneath the guitar and change the mechanics and it will give you an idea of what "so and so" raise/lower will do.

Bengt

Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 26 Oct 2002 2:03 am

Whip, I find that without the low D it is not the same for me at all. I would lose about 80% of what I play without that string. Couldn't possibly do what I am (at least trying to) doing now with that 9th string and the lever(s) that move(s) it. But... that's just me

Tom Mortensen · Post by **Tom Mortensen** » 26 Oct 2002 4:48 am

I played U-12 for a few years and then decided to go back to 10 string E9.
Kept the B on 9 and G# on 10.
E9 Setup

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Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 26 Oct 2002 9:27 am

Tom-That is a nice E9 setup with the low G# in there. ..........al

Post by **b0b** » 26 Oct 2002 9:30 am

Very good, Tom. Sometimes I use a 10 string pickup, but I have to be careful because I keep going down to the 11th string with pedals down, for the low root. Some people lower their 10th string B to A on a 10 string to get that note. I've always found that low A to be very useful.

Beginners who are planning to go to a U-12 someday should consider your tuning. That way they won't have to "unlearn" the D string when the time comes.

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Bill Hamner · Post by **Bill Hamner** » 26 Oct 2002 11:16 pm

Please Fix The margins!
Bill

Post by **b0b** » 27 Oct 2002 7:41 am

I can't fix that. I think it's caused by one of the charts being too wide, and I don't know which one. Try reducing your browser's font size, or set your computer screen to a higher resolution.

Sorry.

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Bill Hamner · Post by **Bill Hamner** » 27 Oct 2002 5:47 pm

Thanx B0b,
The problem is not limited to the charts,
the text of all the posts require much scrolling to read and will not print out without omitting part of post. I changed my settings and also changed browsers. NO HELP. Any one have any other suggestions that might help?
Bill

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 27 Oct 2002 6:03 pm

This probably should be in Feedback and Testing, but if you're using Internet Explorer, go to the View menu - Text Size, and choose a smaller size.

Bill Hamner · Post by **Bill Hamner** » 28 Oct 2002 1:16 am

Jim, Your sugestion helped a bit but some of the text was still chopped off. Netscape 7.0 works
perfectly.
Bill

Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 29 Oct 2002 4:24 pm

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