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Topic: '65 reissue Deluxe/pedal steel |
Michael Dulin
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 1:02 pm |
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| Brought home a new DRRI today. I had started thread awhile ago on Fender Deluxe for steel and got much valuable input. The only way to know if it'll work is try it though. Ran a comparison with my NV112/Fox chips. It will stay clean with the NV up to about "5" on the volume using the low input jack. NV set on "4"pre and "8" post. Above that the NV has much more to go. Using the high input it hits the front end of the Deluxe too hard and begins to break up very early. I'm not sure yet if it's enough to gig without miking yet. I was impressed with the tone and the tube amp response to pick attack. I'll try it this weekend with other pickers to see how it hangs in. I'm hoping it will work in tandem with the NV112 for running two amps together for a fuller sound. Any comments or previous experience input welcome. MD |
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Dave Grafe
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Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 3:06 pm
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I found the BDR's stock Eminence speakers to be incapable of reproducing the pedal steel guitar well, so I loaded the amp and an extension cab with a pair of old JBL K120's, which clean it up the sound and more than double the output efficiency, so the front end of the amp can be run lower for even cleaner tone. I also swapped out the front end tube for a 12AT7 to reduce gain and just maybe get a touch of sparkle. The stock reverb tank in mine is an Accutronics Type 4 long-decay unit and it is pretty much perfect as is.
With this setup my knobs usually look something like with either of my guitars:
Input Gain (Volume) 4-5
Bright Off
Treble 6-7
Bass 7-8
Mid 5-6
Master Volume - N/A or as needed
Reverb 10
Presence 0-2
I use mine at home (always), recording (mostly), and for any shows with a modest stage volume. Traditional acts, very small venues or large stages with good mics and monitors, either with the combo alone or stacking the amp on the extension cab to get a nice vertical array that also helps get the sound closer to my ears.
BUT, no matter how great it sounds, 45 watts with a pedal steel can't hope to keep up with loud guitars and bass and keys and such without distoring heavily. You can hurt yourself trying, so for louder stages you will want to take a bigger amp for backup until you know what works for you. |
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Tim Marcus
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 3:14 pm
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thought the deluxe was in the 20W range? Are they claiming 45W out of that thing?
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Rick Schacter
From:
Portland, Or.
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 3:17 pm
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I have a Deluxe Reverb re-issue.
It's a great amp for 6 string guitar.
For pedal steel, it is fine for practice at home and low volume gigs (acoustic gtr. and steel).
In a band situation, without a mic, you won't be able to push the volume very much without the amp distorting.
Also, get rid of the stock tubes and get some J.J.'s
http://eurotubes.com/
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Rick Schacter
From:
Portland, Or.
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 3:37 pm
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| thought the deluxe was in the 20W range? Are they claiming 45W out of that thing? |
The Deluxe Rev. Reissue is 22 watts to be exact.
I think Dave is talking about the Blues Deluxe.
Rick |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 4:57 pm Drv
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You have to have a JBL D or K 12 in there to make it a great steel guitar amp ..
Its definately not a big venue amp .. small shows only .. and really for the person who plays both steel and guitar .. The best way is to " steel iz' the reverb channel
and british iz the first channel then link the reverb .. best of both worlds in a small package. |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 4:57 pm Drv
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You have to have a JBL D or K 12 in there to make it a great steel guitar amp ..
Its definately not a big venue amp .. small shows only .. and really for the person who plays both steel and guitar .. The best way is to " steel iz' the reverb channel
and british iz the first channel then link the reverb .. best of both worlds in a small package. |
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Per Berner
From:
Skovde, Sweden
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 10:12 pm
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| My Deluxe Reverb RI works very well for home use, good tone (especially with a BOSS GE-7 added). Haven't tried it out of the house, though. |
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Tim Marcus
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 13 Sep 2012 10:35 pm
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you can get a lot of milage out of a 22W amp - with the right speakers, and a few tweaks to the preamp and output section it should be good for steel.
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Michael Dulin
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 6:36 am '65drri
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| Thanks for the input guys. My main amp for steel is an Evans,so I have the volume and power when I need it. I'm looking for a tone quality for an overall sound. Also I'm hoping to use the Deluxe as a guitar/steel amp at smaller gigs and jams. I'm thinkin' it's gonna work.MD |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 6:56 am
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The stock speaker is not the best choice for output volume or any kind of pedal steel. The reverb on my reissue is overly metallic sounding and not nearly as smooth as my original DR. I use outboard reverb on the the resissue to overcome this.
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Deluxe%20Reverb/Deluxe%20Reverb.html
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 7:42 am
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Rick S, wrote:
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The Deluxe Rev. Reissue is 22 watts to be exact.
I think Dave is talking about the Blues Deluxe. |
That is correct, my Blues Deluxe reissue puts out 45 watts, my mistake for not noting that the OP was referring to the earlier, 22 watt Deluxe Reissue amp, although the modification notes are completely applicable. |
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 7:48 am
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I saw Bill Frisell two weeks ago and Frisell and Greg Leisz were both using rental Deluxe Reverb reissues. Greg said that they`re consistent and available everywhere.
Sounded great to me... I`ve been using a `68 with a D120 for a while now and I love it, needs to be miked though.
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Tim Marcus
From:
San Francisco, CA
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 7:54 am
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Definitely trust Greg's ear when it comes to gear
He has 2 Milkman amps 
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Bill A. Moore
From:
Silver City, New Mexico, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 4:50 pm
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I am in the process of building a DR clone, and am trying to tweak it enough to have the headroom necessary for the Sho-Bud. It is a Weber chassis, so it has switchable bright on both channels. I have changed some of the R/C values to (hopefully) have a couple of different tone shapes between the two. I beefed up the cap board, and installed a 20W Hammond OT, that is about 3 times heavier than the stock unit.
I hope I end up with a sweet low power amp that won't break up when I'm finished. |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 14 Sep 2012 7:45 pm fdr
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| to get a reissure DR modded i think would be the hard way to go. get a older one or a kit .. the DRR.. is not gonna be easy .. |
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Michael Dulin
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2012 11:55 am '65Deluxe reissue
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| I played the DRRI out last night. Took it to it's limits with both inputs. I can't imagine playing any louder than this. IMO having to play with the volume louder than this amp produces clean would be way too loud, esp. stage volume. I can see however using a mic for large venues when everything else needs reinforced also...same as I would do with my NV112 or Evans. If I had to play with guys that were louder than this I wouldn't want to do it. The tone of this amp at performance volume level is terrific. Just the way I see it...MD |
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