a nice added pedal /change for the E9th neck

Karlis Abolins · Post by **Karlis Abolins** » 20 Sep 2002 9:43 am

A pedal that I have added to my guitar that I really like is the G# to G lower on both the 3rd and 6th strings. I can use it together with my B to Bb lower to get a complete chord melody scale walking up the strings. Here it is in a G scale.
<pre>
G=lower G# to G, H=lower B to Bb.
1 ___________________________________________________________________
2 ___________________________________________________________________
3 ___________________________________________________________________
4 ___3____5_____7_____8____10___12____14____15____AND BACKWARDS _____
5 ___3____5_____7_____8____10___12____14H___15_______________________
6 ___3____5G____7G____8____10___12G___14G___15_______________________
7 ___________________________________________________________________
8 ___________________________________________________________________
9 ___________________________________________________________________
10___________________________________________________________________
</pre>

The chords you get are the first inversions of G, Am, Bm, C, D, Em, F#dim, and G. The voicing has the root in the top position. It works just as well on 3,4,5 and 5,6,8 but with different voicing.

If you leave out the 5th string, you will get a familiar harmony scale.
<pre>
G=lower G# to G
1 ___________________________________________________________________
2 ___________________________________________________________________
3 ___________________________________________________________________
4 ___3____5_____7_____8____10___12____14____15____AND BACKWARDS _____
5 ___________________________________________________________________
6 ___3____5G____7G____8____10___12G___14G___15_______________________
7 ___________________________________________________________________
8 ___________________________________________________________________
9 ___________________________________________________________________
10___________________________________________________________________
</pre>

It is quite a simple change but it gives you a minor at a familiar position.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 20 Sep 2002 7:38 pm

Sorta like pedal 6 on the C6th, isn't it?

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basilh · Post by **basilh** » 21 Sep 2002 1:41 am

Nice sound ....... BUT for correct harmonic progression , shouldn't the Em be an A minor with an "E" top note.?
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Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 21 Sep 2002 3:49 am

shouldn't the Em be an A minor with an "E" top note.?

No, it's an Em. On any note of the scale, that note MUST be the root of the chord.

Brad Burch · Post by **Brad Burch** » 23 Sep 2002 6:00 am

I have that change on a knee with the first string raise. I use it a lot in combo with the A pedal too.

SveinungL · Post by **SveinungL** » 26 Sep 2002 12:17 am

I have that change on the 6th string. I Also have the half step lowering on string 2 on the same knee....
I find many uses for this lever on my U-12.

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Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 26 Sep 2002 5:32 am

4___3____5_____7_____8____10___12____14____15 5___3____5_____7_____8____10___12____14H___15 6___3____5G____7G____8____10___12G___14G___15

Try this instead.
4 ___3____3C___5C___8____10___10C___13R__15
5____3____3C___5C___8____10___10C___13___15
6 ___3____3B___5B___8____10___10B___13___15

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Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 26 Sep 2002 5:43 am

I was waiting for someone to say that...

Karlis Abolins · Post by **Karlis Abolins** » 26 Sep 2002 10:01 am

Mike, Don't guffaw too loud. I never knew the purpose of the C pedal. I started to learn pedal steel in the 70's and gave it up in the 80's. I took it up again this year after finding the forum. I never used the C pedal except as another place to play a minor. It never made any sense to me.
I have developed my own copedant this year based upon analysis of chords. I did not include the C pedal on my copedant because it always looked like a superfluous couple of changes. I like my lower the G# to G. If you play 4,5,6 with pedal A (raise the 5th to the 6th) and lower the G# in the same places as above, you get a neat 6th chord melody. The thing I really like about the G# to G is that it gives me the chord melody at the appropriate fret.
As I said, Don't laugh too loud, you may bust a gut.

Karlis

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 26 Sep 2002 10:37 am

Karlis
I'm sure no 'slight' was intended. If you don't have the 'C' pedal, then your method (with the 3&6th lower) would be the next easiest way. If, however, you do have the 'C' pedal, then the above method (posted by Mike) would be the conventional way to acheive the same result....

Karlis Abolins · Post by **Karlis Abolins** » 26 Sep 2002 11:01 am

Roger, I am not in the least offended by Mike's reply. I am still chuckling at myself. I kinda wish that I could have found out about chord melodies 30 years ago and the C pedal would have been a great way to go to get me started. That was then and this is now. I am learning tons of stuff from the forum. It almost overwhelms me. I sometimes don't know which new thing to practice next.

Karlis

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 26 Sep 2002 11:11 am

It is indeed a very nice change and I used to have it on my S-12 (tuned to extended E9) on the pedal 1 position (ABC were on 2,3 and 4). One thing that´s readily available, you can go from a major to a minor chord by just pressing the pedal without changing the bar position. It also makes a nice combination with the A pedal (I´m not that keen on theory, but it sounds like some kind of diminished chord). Last but not least, Ralph Mooney, one of my steel guitar heroes, lowers only the high G# to G and does some of his trademark licks with it. I´m sure there are lots of other uses for it, 7th chords and so on. The 3rd string lower may require a somewhat long throw. Since I now play a D-10 with 8+4, I opted for the more common raise from F# to G on strings 1 and 7 which I somehow still like better. But the G# to G also has a lot of advantages. It´s mostly a matter of, how many pedals and levers have you got, and what are your preferences.
Regards, Joe H.[This message was edited by Joe Henry on 26 September 2002 at 12:14 PM.][This message was edited by Joe Henry on 27 September 2002 at 03:08 PM.]

Ron Castle · Post by **Ron Castle** » 27 Sep 2002 2:47 am

As Joe pointed out its nice to have the major
to minor change using the same strings, but
my favorite use of the G#-G change is the full Major7th inversion it makes using string
9,7,6,5, 4 frets down from 8th str root position.
(The chords root being the lowered 6 str) [This message was edited by Ron Castle on 27 September 2002 at 03:49 AM.]