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Topic: Steel Guitar Counterpoint? |
Jason Rumley
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Foley, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 20 Aug 2012 10:30 am |
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Are there any good examples of counterpoint on steel guitar? Or exercises that anyone uses?
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Greg Wisecup
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Troy, Ohio
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Posted 20 Aug 2012 1:42 pm
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Bobbe Seymour has several you tubes with instructions!
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 20 Aug 2012 2:54 pm
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| Here is a very old discussion ---> Click Here |
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Christopher Woitach
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 20 Aug 2012 9:02 pm
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It seems that most steelers use the term counterpoint to mean "notes moving in different directions", which is known as contrary motion. In most musical discussions, counterpoint refers to two or more lines that are "harmonically interdependent", meaning over the same chord changes, but rhythmically independent. The best example is J.S. Bach, although there is a lot of contrapuntal music out there, in various genres.
If you mean the latter, there's a great book called "The Art of Two Line Improvisation", by Jimmy Wyble, that would serve as an excellent and painful (because difficult) source of exercises for pedal steel. In fact, I'm going to add that to never ending pile of steel stuff to work on.....
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Joseph Meditz
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Sierra Vista, AZ
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Posted 21 Aug 2012 7:48 am
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Here's an example from Randy Beavers. I think what he is doing is properly called "homophony with counterpoint."
As for JS Bach, even his simplest pieces are very difficult on steel guitar. If I recall, Randy Beavers also did JSB's Minuet in G. JSB's other contrapuntal pieces such as the Two Part Inventions and beyond are extremely difficult on PSG. Mr. Bovine plays very difficult pieces by JSB on the PSG with ease, but he no ordinary musician.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPpNy_eQFVg |
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Jason Rumley
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Foley, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2012 10:13 am
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Thanks for pointing me to youtube for Bobbe's videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz3wuvaRHp0 for anyone who wants to look at them).
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 23 Aug 2012 8:29 am
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| What Christopher said.... |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 23 Aug 2012 2:50 pm
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Someone told me my counterpoint exercises were actually...."CONTRARY MOTION BENDS"....Who cares...???? ....Thangs go like in diferent direxions...Ats all i know...!...I got sum!.... 
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Christopher Woitach
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 23 Aug 2012 6:20 pm
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I certainly didn't point out the difference to be a know-it-all, or a smart-a**, I wanted to clarify what the gentleman was asking about, on the off chance he was asking about Baroque style counterpoint.
Contrary motion licks are cool, and sound great on steel guitar. So does counterpoint.
And, for the record, I do care about accurate musical terminology. If you're fixing an engine, and ask for a wrench, and someone hands you a hammer because he thinks it's called a wrench, you'd probably explain the difference, just for clarity, not to show off your superior knowledge of tools. Same here. No harm intended.
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 25 Aug 2012 12:45 am
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Cristopher, you certainly don't come across like a smart-a**. It's good when you clarify things.
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 26 Aug 2012 6:01 am
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Here's one for you..
Lower your 6th string G# to F# and engage the A pedal.
Playing strings 10,8,6
Let it all go to end a song or phrase
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Anders Eriksson
From:
Mora, Dalecarlia, Sweden
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Posted 28 Aug 2012 8:57 am Jimmy Wyble Tribute
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Mr. David Oakes has created a Tribute sajt for Jimmy Wyble
http://www.davidoakesguitar.com/jimmyTribute.php
On it you will find 6 etudes, with sound files,and a lot of other lessons and interviews.
There is Two Line Primer which is an introduction to The Art of Two Line Improvisation.
// Anders
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Eugene Cole
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near Washington Grove, MD, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2012 9:10 am
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Christopher; you did a great job of defining the common useage of the term counterpoint. Thanks for doing that.
A very basic form of this which is not counterpoint to the melody per se is to simply play decending chord inversions while the rest of the band holds a particular chord and the singer is going up. This can be a nice counterpoint-like accent. One can also play ascending inversions while the singer goes down but I find that I do this less often.
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Mike Delaney
From:
Fort Madison, IA
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Posted 3 Sep 2012 1:22 am
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| I studied with Jimmy Wyble in the 70's. Aside from being a marvelous guitarist/musician, one could never meet a nicer guy. May he rest in peace. |
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Christopher Woitach
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Chris Gabriel
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