Play without this knee lever!

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 8 Sep 2002 12:28 am

Pretty close to the end of the night I broke the knee lever that lowers the E strings on the E9 neck. I figured if Lloyd Green has done it all these years it would be a good time to get some practice. Try playing without this knee for a few tunes.[This message was edited by Frank Parish on 08 September 2002 at 07:08 AM.]

Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 8 Sep 2002 4:15 am

and pot metal!

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 8 Sep 2002 6:20 am

I'm not Lloyd Green and I need all the help I can get! Give me that E lever!
Uff-Da!

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 8 Sep 2002 6:35 am

As an owner of a Sho-Bud Professional, I can say that the most important thing you need is a car body shop. Those spot welds are REAL HELPFUL!

Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 8 Sep 2002 10:10 am

But keep in mind that even Lloyd Green does lower his 8th string. I personally find this change much more important than the 4th string lower.

Regards, Joe H.

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 8 Sep 2002 11:12 am

I played the entire "Always Patsy Cline" show one night last year without it. One of the little raise hooks on my push-pull was stuck between the 4th and 5th string changer fingers and every time I'd try to lower the raise finger would kick in. Had to get it home in the light to see well enough to figure out what it was.

It wasn't that hard to play around it, but I was certainly more comfortable the next night, when it was working. Nobody else, including the music director, even noticed it.

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Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 8 Sep 2002 11:39 am

For a while I had a guitar that couldn't raise and lower a string. I put the raise on the 4th string and the lower on the 8th (two separate levers). It was very playable.

It takes a while to get used to going to the second string instead of lowering the fourth string. If you're having trouble learning how to use the second string, you might consider removing the fourth string lower for a while. That will force you to go to the second string more often.

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Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 8 Sep 2002 1:08 pm

Larry did you spank the little beast

Joe

Bob Carlson · Post by **Bob Carlson** » 8 Sep 2002 4:01 pm

I believe I read in an interview that when Lloyd put on the lever to lower his E,s the only place left was LKL.

Any truth in that Lloyd?.

Bob.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 8 Sep 2002 5:25 pm

As I heard it, when Lloyd put on the lever to raise his E's the only place left was LKR. Here's his tuning:
<pre># note LKL Ped1 Ped2 Ped3 LKR RKL RKR
1 F# __+G________________________________________
2 D# ________________________________-D/C#_______
3 G# _____________+A_____________________________
4 E ___________________+F#____+F________________
5 B _______+C#_________+C#______________________
6 G# _____________+A_____________________________
7 F# ____________________________________________
8 E __________________________+F___________-D#__
9 D ____________________________________________
10 B _______+C#__________________________________

</pre>

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Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 8 Sep 2002 5:34 pm

.[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 08 September 2002 at 06:35 PM.]

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 8 Sep 2002 6:42 pm

Joe,
Actually, The Beast spanked me that particular night.

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Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 8 Sep 2002 9:00 pm

I agree with Bobby on the 2nd string, if you dont have the knee lever that flats the 4th string, you can do it with the 2nd string.

I had a Fender 400 with 1 knee lever, and had it pull the 4th string 1/2 tone to F and the 8th string lowered to D#.

I played that setup 3 nights a week for 4 months while I was waiting for my MSA D12.

I got so I used that 2nd string all the time. by picking the 2nd and 3rd string and the 5th string , it worked real good for chords too.

But I was glad to get that D12...al