Speed Trap

Steve Kritz · Post by **Steve Kritz** » 17 Aug 2002 8:52 am

Really need some help on this one guys.Have a chance to join a very good band real soon,however,don't have any confidence in my ability to play anything that is uptempo.Real confident otherwise.Say"forget it" or take a shot knowing the gun will be jamming most of the time or just go get a beer at the appropriate time and sit and enjoy.Sure would appreciate some solid advise.

Buck Dilly · Post by **Buck Dilly** » 17 Aug 2002 10:26 am

Regardless of anyone's current speed, I believe that applying Joe Wright's principles will increase both speed and accuracy, even if you do not opt to use pick blocking. Please remember that fast and sloppy is still sloppy. I think that I learned this lesson the hard way, and I needed to go back and relearn everything. Use a metronome and be patient with yourself. Respect the process.

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 17 Aug 2002 10:39 am

Of course, you should get a course or two, and practice. And always use a metronome. But, when it comes to playing fast, there is almost no way you can do it without being on stage and going through the misery of learning to play fast. And it'll be very sloppy for sure. But that'll work it's way out over time as your technique improves and, as importantly, your mind learns to be focused and clear at high speeds. Then you'll be doing it. You will have to play out, and accept the sloppiness, to get to be a clean, fast player. [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 17 August 2002 at 11:48 AM.]

Glenn Austin · Post by **Glenn Austin** » 17 Aug 2002 11:26 am

Go for it Steve. I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm not a very good steel player either. Forget about trying to play stuff like the record and try to just stick around the chord changes for right now, or just get the guitar player to take the lead. Nobody in the audience knows the bloody difference anyway. If you're really in a bind to learn something you can always buy the tab. Tons of great sounding stuff can be played on strings 3 and 5, with just the A and B pedals. In my experience the gun doesn't jam most of the time. Just create parts that you can play, and as you get better, everything will fall into place.Now get out there and kick some ass!

Michael Holland · Post by **Michael Holland** » 17 Aug 2002 11:34 am

Play quarter notes and throw in some eighth notes when you're in a comfortable spot. Start with 3rd and 4th string harmonies using B&C pedal pushes.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 17 Aug 2002 11:34 am

When I was a beginning pedal steeler I was playing in a band that only did a few fast songs and they were pretty basic. Then I joined a band with a hot fiddle player, ye gads! As Jeff said, practice and also just really sweating it out onstage and trying your hardest will get you there. I made progress to where I could easily keep up with the fiddle instrumentals. A side note, about 5 years later I quit for 16 years, now I'm in the same boat you are again! Fine slow to medium but fast, I lost it. Oh well.

Matt Steindl · Post by **Matt Steindl** » 17 Aug 2002 2:17 pm

Dont freak yourself out! The only way to see if you can swim, is to dive into the deep end. I am a firm believer that even the smallest amount of talent will rise to the top when you jam w/ people that might be at or above your level.

The worst that can happen, is a little bit of embarasment. GO FOR IT! One night of jamming w/ real people is better than a month of playing alone.

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Tommy Mc · Post by **Tommy Mc** » 17 Aug 2002 2:45 pm

Steve,
I suffer from a similar speed problem. If you can work your licks up to lightening speed that is great, but you CAN play fast songs without speed licks. If all the other instruments are going at warp speed, some slower rythmic licks, and slide chords can create contrast and actually highlight your instrument. If you can't play fast, pretend you are trying to play with good taste. Works for me.......

Bob Carlson · Post by **Bob Carlson** » 17 Aug 2002 8:02 pm

I'd take the gig and be honest with the band and crowd that you don't have the fast stuff down yet. They'll love ya for being honest.

Bob.[This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 17 August 2002 at 09:03 PM.]

Jeff Coffell · Post by **Jeff Coffell** » 18 Aug 2002 12:23 am

Jef Newman's "NO SPEED LIMIT"

JC

Mike Delaney · Post by **Mike Delaney** » 18 Aug 2002 3:30 pm

Consider The Incredible Speed Picking Course by Weldon Myrick and Hal Rugg. Scotty's has it for a whopping $12.50. I first heard of it in one of these threads, best thing I ever tried.

As for the band, go for it; you'll keep up. The best advice anybody ever gave me about performing was Kimo Williams at Berklee. He said "Don't mess up a mess up. Make it good and loud." (He may have used a different word than "mess")

Jeff Lampert · Post by **Jeff Lampert** » 18 Aug 2002 4:20 pm

Steve, I posted the the following post to a similar thread some time back. This will I think help get you going a bit, until you pick up a course. You should strive to play these at speeds of around 120-140 beats per minute (get a metronome. It's a must). Start around 90-100 and work your way up. When you get to 120, then you're in the area of most up tempo songs. Get to 140, and you can probably keep up with a fiddle. No time like the present. Start tonight. When you get up to speed on these, ask the Forum for some speed licks. I'm sure you'll get plenty. Ok, here's that post. .. Jeff

"I will describe a basic picking process that you can learn quickly. IMO, the easiest speed picking and the first most of us learn is alternating your thumb and middle finger (some players use first finger instead of the middle. Most I believe use the middle). The following are some licks that can be played fast. "R" is the knee lever that raises strings 4 an 8 a 1/2 tone. "T" = thumb. "F" = finger. They're in the key of G and use 4 basic G scale frets - 3rd, 6th, 10th, and 13th (for a seventh chord). The first 4 lines use alternating fingering and the last has a pedal movement. I believe that with some practice you can play these at fast tempos and that it will help get you on your way to speedier playing. The next step is to expand your positions and ability to go up and down the 10 strings at the same fret, but that wouild come later. For now, just being able to play some basic licks fast is what you want and I think these will help get you going, hopefully. The main thing you need to do is practice alternating the thumb and finger. You should always use a metronome to help anchor your speed and consistency. Figure out the speed of the song, and set the metronome to it. You must do this or else you will not be prepared for playing live at the required speed. You may think you are, but you won't be. Get a metronome ... They cost less than $20 and are invaluable. If you need any other help or ideas for some licks, you're welcome to e-mail me and I'll try to help out. Regards, Jeff"

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Don McClellan · Post by **Don McClellan** » 18 Aug 2002 5:42 pm

Steve, jumping in is not the only way to learn to swim. I used to play E9 chicken-lickin' licks very fast and I learned to do it by playing lots of "trick" licks (the E9 tuning is full of them) and playing along with Jeff Newman's "Steel Tracks" tapes. Also I am a pick-blocker, which helps. If you cut about 1/4 inch or more off of the loop end of your thumb pick (the part that wraps around your thumb) then you can use that side of your picking thumb to help you block. This is very helpful for speed picking. I believe Paul Franklin does this also. I highly recomend it. Anyway, TRICK LICKS is your answer. A lot of trick licks don't sound good at all unless they're done at high speeds. By "trick licks", I mean licks that repeat over and over when you play them or licks that can be played the same way on the same strings but with different pedals and/or in different positions and sound hot played fast. I'll bet if every forum member here who has been playing E9 for several years were to tape record and tab out their 3 favorite trick licks we could put together a speed picking encyclopidia that would be very helpful to guys like you. We should try to do that. Don

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 18 Aug 2002 5:51 pm

I've never been what I would call a fast picker. Fast songs used to scare the hell out of me. I would just try and play as fast as I was comfortable playing. I would rather play slower and not hit a bunch of clunkers or get lost (and look like a fool) than to play fast and have those things happen. Practice is the only way to pick up speed. I just never placed a high priority on it.

Good luck.

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Richard Sinkler

Larry Jamieson · Post by **Larry Jamieson** » 18 Aug 2002 7:16 pm

One of the best ways to learn an instrument is to play it, and play a lot! It also helps to play with people who are better than you, so that you learn to keep up with and play with other musicians. I had only played steel about one year when I joined my first band. Over the last 28 years I've gotten lots of practice, 3 or four hours at a time, playing gigs. Go for it! It also helps to play with recordings at home. Put on some up tempo tunes you know, crank up the volume, and play along. Improvise a steel part that you can handle, and work up fom there. Practice... Good Luck and keep on picking!

Roger Andrusky · Post by **Roger Andrusky** » 19 Aug 2002 8:19 am

In the "For What It's Worth" department, I had a wonderful conversation with Jerry Brightman about this subject. His advice was to think several notes ahead of where you want to pick. In time, your brain will construct the notes before you play them and they will actually flow from your hands naturally. It does work, but in the beginning it takes time.

By the way, Jerry is probably the fastest steel picker I have ever heard in person. He played for Buck Owens among others and is a fabulous gentleman.

Anyway, hope that helps. - Roger