eBay Sho-Bud ???

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 9 Aug 2002 9:03 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=898679839
Is this a "legitimate" Sho-Bud? I've never seen one with a metal name plate instead of the decal. I don't remember seeing screws on top of the peghead either.

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 9 Aug 2002 9:19 am

It's a "Frankenstein".

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 9 Aug 2002 10:00 am

Yeah very interesting. Well it is a round front shobud body and shobud end plates and changer and keyhead from late '60s or early '70s. But there were no raised fret boards then..."don't that look like a raised fret board"....and Lloyd Green's LDG was the first of double body single-10 with pad....and that is a '73. But Lloyd did have a crossover that he converted to kinda like that picture... before his '73. That pedal rack shows a couple more spaces that would take a few more pedals just like a crossover.....so it may of been a crossover....and redone to that.....and that many explain the way that keyhead is mounted and most likely drilled out to take the screws down from the top.
There "IS" alot of ShoBud there.....and eventhough it's somewhat vamped and so was Lloyd's Crossover.....and Tommy White still says that was the best sounding Guitar Lloyd ever had bar none.
So I'm gunna say......I bet that thing sounds super.......
Ricky

Kenny Davis · Post by **Kenny Davis** » 9 Aug 2002 10:38 am

Who knows? It probably started life as a crossover. There's a slot on the endplate on the back neck for C6th hardware. The inlay on the top is unusual, as well as the lower inlay on the front apron. My guess is that some handyman turned an old crossover into a LDG wannabe, and didn't know that decals were available. Looks like his pedal rods are a little short!

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 9 Aug 2002 11:14 am

Hey Jim,
On my old ShoBud S-12 that I bought in '77 I got a Sho-Bud Pac Seat which had a metal name plate on it. I liked the metal plate on the seat better than the decal so I attached it to the front of my steel over the decal. Maybe this guy did too!!

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Joerg Hennig · Post by **Joerg Hennig** » 9 Aug 2002 5:30 pm

If you check again, a picture of the underside has been added and the owner admits it might be a doubleneck converted to a single. It does look like that. Does anyone know if the "birdcage" changer was already around in the days of the Crossover?

Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 10 Aug 2002 1:16 am

A little more info from Lloyd Green on the subject I was speaking of in my earlier post.....Lloyd writes:

"Ricky,
I looked at the photos of the Sho-Bud (?) on E-Bay and it is one bizarre looking creature. I've never seen any Sho-Bud that resembled this guitar. It looks as if someone assembled, from a pot-pourri of S.B. parts, their version of how a LDG Sho-Bud should look.
One note that may be of interest. The proto-type Baldwin LDG which preceded the original LDG that I am again playing was, like my real LDG, dark green. And after I returned that guitar to Sho-Bud the C6th parts were reassembled and the guitar sold as it was originally was born......a double-neck. If it still exists, it is probably still a double-neck.
For its 3 years in my possession it was a single-neck with pad for only the last 6 months I played it.
(You may post this for further clarification if you wish)."
Regards,
Lloyd Green

And yes birdcage was around then....well I still bet it sounds good......but far from original...heck anybody going for it...??
Ricky[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 10 August 2002 at 02:18 AM.]

Ed Naylor · Post by **Ed Naylor** » 10 Aug 2002 5:03 am

The guitar is not a "Crossover" it was probably a "Professional" and "Super Pro" cross shafts and bell cranks to replace the "Birdcage" pulls. It may look crude but I bet it plays great. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works

Steve Stallings · Post by **Steve Stallings** » 10 Aug 2002 5:22 am

That is some mighty pretty maple! Heck,
I wouldn't mind having it just to look at

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Chris DeBarge · Post by **Chris DeBarge** » 10 Aug 2002 4:49 pm

Never mind the guitar, did you see the amp? Wish I had a few extra piggybanks around.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 10 Aug 2002 5:58 pm

This is not a Sho-Bud and never has been. It is a "Miller custom" OR a "Marlin" (very similar guitars) with a couple of Sho-Bud parts on it. (fretboards and tailpiece) Selling this guitar as a Sho-Bud constitutes fraud in the first degree! I feel sorry for another e-bay customer that won't get what he thinks he's getting. However, the maple is worth something just to look at. Looks like the handy work of a very famous cobbler
that we all know very well. Sorry guys, I just hate dishonesty in this business (or any other for that matter).
Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 10 August 2002 at 07:02 PM.]

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 10 Aug 2002 6:04 pm

Somehow I feel we are going to hear more about this guitar in the future!
Bobbe