How many have their E,s down RKR?

Jerry Tillman · Post by **Jerry Tillman** » 6 May 2012 8:11 am

I have a great sounding MCI but the E,s down are on RKR and I,m to lazy to move it.I checked around and the chart for Jimmy Day has him lowering string 8 RKR.I like the vedios of Buddy Emmons playing his MCI.Thanks Jerry

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 6 May 2012 9:29 am

Do you have problems using it? If not, it is fine there. There are no set rules for what levers you have your changes on. There are only "suggestions". And also "suggestions" on putting certain changes on separate knees because use use them together, like the E lowers and the lever to lower 6 from G# to F#.

Bo Borland · Post by **Bo Borland** » 6 May 2012 10:49 am

Both my E lever changes are on the right with the lower lever RKR . It was that way on my first steel and what I got used to .

Howard Steinberg · Post by **Howard Steinberg** » 6 May 2012 12:33 pm

I started on a market rite with the E's lowered on RKR. Then I got a used MSA classic that the the E's lowered RKR and raised RKL. My first new guitar I ordered with the E's on the right side. I have a new guitar on order with the E's on the left and I'm getting the E's moved to the left on my D-10. I never gave it much thought but it just seems more intuitive to have these changes working with the leg that operates the pedals. I guess I'll find out soon enough which arrangement works best for me. Maybe a change will be a good thing.

Jerry Tillman · Post by **Jerry Tillman** » 6 May 2012 3:13 pm

I have a bunch of steels and the knee,s are all over the place and I just get use to them.The MCI is the only one with rkr for E,s down.I seem to play ok were ever there are but I may not play that well either.I,m going to do a gig this weekend and see what happens under a little pressure.Jerry

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 6 May 2012 3:42 pm

I actually prefer the E lower RKR, and the raise on RKL. It kinda divides the pedal/lever work more evenly between both legs.

Paul Sutherland · Post by **Paul Sutherland** » 6 May 2012 3:54 pm

I have the E lowers on RKR, and it works for me. I frequently lower the Es and raise the Bs with the A floor pedal. It's real hard to do that if the E lowers are on the left knee.

Rick Abbott · Post by **Rick Abbott** » 6 May 2012 4:11 pm

I'm with Donny on this one. I've had my e-lower on LKR, RKL and RKR. They all work fine for me, but I really prefer a U-12, and it's the best for that setup. I can't imagine the B6 "side" with the E's anywhere else.

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 6 May 2012 5:12 pm

On my Emmons the E's lower LKR and raise LKL. On my Bud they lower RKL and raise LKL.

Darvin Willhoite · Post by **Darvin Willhoite** » 6 May 2012 5:24 pm

I lower my E's with the RKR, and raise them with the LKR.

Russ Wever · Post by **Russ Wever** » 6 May 2012 6:05 pm

With the 4 & 8 levers on the left leg, the main 'pedal & lever' chord
configurations (A & Raise E's, B & Lower E's, etc) are all done on one
leg rather than two, meaning less 'leg manipulation' under the guitar,
making it less complicated.
Sho~Bud's 'factory setup' was to lower on the right leg and raise on the left.
MSAs was to have both on the right. Emmons was to have both on the left.
~Russ

John Shadid · Post by **John Shadid** » 6 May 2012 6:05 pm

Richard, other than the IV-I, what are the other main uses of the E lever combined with lowering the G# to F#? At the moment I have these changes on opposite legs. My first guitar had this change but I found it unnecessary after learning more about the A pedal & F lever combo. Jerry, I also play an MCI and I raise Es LKR and lower Es RKL. It gives me much smoother transitions between the two. And I suppose them being on RKR and LKL wouldn't make a bit of difference.

Fred Shannon · Post by **Fred Shannon** » 6 May 2012 7:11 pm

Same as Don Hinson

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Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 6 May 2012 9:17 pm

John... There is a ton of good stuff using that combination and moving between the pedals down position and that position 2 frets down that you can't get with the AF combination. If the AF combo was identical, you wouldn't see anyone lower their 6th string. When you start letting off the pedals and levers and activating them, you end up with so many cool melodic moves. Just ask Emmons, Hughey and many others. If I could only have 3 levers, they would be the E raises and lowers and the 6th lower to F#. FYI, I just did a 4 hour gig today and never once used the lever that lowered string 2. But, I was all over that G# to F# lever.

Not everything is about the chords you can get and where you can get them.

Papa Joe Pollick · Post by **Papa Joe Pollick** » 6 May 2012 9:35 pm

I lower the Es with RKL and raise with LKL..It was set up like that when I got it and I've gotten comfortable with it..

Jim Priebe · Post by **Jim Priebe** » 6 May 2012 10:16 pm

Well I came from the std Emmons setup over to LKL for E down once I changed to a 12U. Once familiar I wouldn't change back and I agree with Donny. I find the right foot/knee has more options this way. Also I can just volume down and hold the lever (with either the foot on the volume or the pedal bar) for B6th work and still change back and fro B6 to E9 whenever required.
But it's what you are familiar with and personally prefer.

Jeremy Threlfall · Post by **Jeremy Threlfall** » 7 May 2012 12:50 am

Same as Don Hinson

thats the old Sho-bud way, isn't it?

they put it there because it was the most commonly used lever and closest to the changer?

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 7 May 2012 2:27 am

You can tell all the old MSA players here... MSA was standard with E changes on the right in the 70's. RKR always lowered, LKR always raised..
I set up every steel I own in that way, including my Fender 800.. I guess i could adapt if I had to, but why bother at this point??. Its what I am used to.. My first "real steel" was an MSA S-10 with 5 and 4... The E's were on the right back then, I got used to it, and still am used to it... bob

Frank Montmarquet · Post by **Frank Montmarquet** » 7 May 2012 8:49 am

For the U-12 players:

If the E lower is on RKR, then you probably don't use your right foot on the pedals when in B6, but keep it on the Vol. Pedal?

If it was on RKL you could use the right foot on some of the right most pedals?

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 7 May 2012 11:02 am

My first "real" steel guitar after the Fender 8 stringer was a ShoBud S-12 which came with the E lowers on RKL and the raises on LKL. I tried it about a year like that before I started trying out the U-12 and changed the lowers to RKR and the raises to RKL where they are to this day and will remain as it just makes more sense to me that way. Jeff Newman also did 'em like this and his reasoning was that it released the left leg to be free to operate any of the floor pedals or levers (except RKL) and gave you a bunch of options..........JH in Va.

Bob Simons · Post by **Bob Simons** » 7 May 2012 4:02 pm

Seems like the only logical place for me on my U-12. Allows me to engage the B6 style chording with my left leg unobstructed...

Jon Hyde · Post by **Jon Hyde** » 7 May 2012 8:47 pm

My first "real" steel was/is a Sho Bud Professional with E lowers on the RKL. I've set up all my steels this way since...

John De Maille · Post by **John De Maille** » 7 May 2012 10:55 pm

My first "pro" steel had 4+8 lowers on RKR and 4+8 raises on LKL. I've been playing that way for some time now. I have a U-12 Zum, which, is set up the same and suits me fine. It's very comfortable and seems natural to me. I have no problem playing E-9th and switching to B-6th, seamlessly with this set up.

Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 8 May 2012 5:58 am

On my current Bud the E's lower on RKL en the E's raise on RKR. It's ok. But on my former Bud, the E's lowered on LKL an raised on LKR, I swapped those 2.

Bob Snelgrove · Post by **Bob Snelgrove** » 8 May 2012 7:13 am

Do you have a Day setup? If not, lowering E's on the right should be RKL.

bob

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How many have their E,s down RKR?

How many have their E,s down RKR?

Knee levers.I have my E,s all over.