4th pedal suggestion

Brad Burch · Post by **Brad Burch** » 30 May 2002 5:01 am

I was looking for some ideas about what to do with the fourth pedal on my ShoBud LDG. I currently have 4 pedals and 5 knees. Standard setup with LKV lowering 5 and 8 and LKR raising 1 to F# and lowering 6 to G. The fourth pedal is actually pedal 1 on the guitar. I have had it raising strings 1 and 2 now for about a year and really just don't ever use it except for a couple of "sugary" sounding licks. Any ideas??

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 30 May 2002 5:06 am

I got a couple of suggestions. What I do is the same as Tom Brumley's set up which is to raise string 7 (F# to G#) and raise string 10 (B to C#). I use this pedal a lot and if you'll listen to a lot of Tom's stuff you'll hear it in his playing. Another thing I've seen players do is to lower both G#'s to G with pedal one. You get a nice full minor chord plus you can use it with the A pedal to get a good diminished chord position. I used to have this but I like the Brumley thing better. It's also a change that Bobbe Seymore has on his "Z" knee lever on another post.......

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Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 30 May 2002 8:56 am

If the pedal is next to the A pedal I would try 6string G# to A#.

Bengt

Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 30 May 2002 7:00 pm

If the pedal is outside,
next to the A pedal
I would lower 6 G# to F#...
.....and take 7 with it from F# to F...
.....and take 9 up to D#.

[my opinion]

2pT

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[This message was edited by Terry Wendt on 30 May 2002 at 08:15 PM.]

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 30 May 2002 9:27 pm

For "Pedal Zero", I like:

lower 3rd G# to G
raise 5th B to C
raise 6th G# to A

I raise 7th F# to G on a lever. Combined with that pedal, I have an open C6th suitable for the head of any swing tune that uses C6th open strings (Steelin' the Blues, Remington Ride, etc.).

I know it's obscure, but I like it.

Some people I know lower both G#'s to G on their 0th pedal.

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Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 31 May 2002 9:17 am

b0b,

I like that change! It is a similar one I have worked out on a 13 string single neck copedant. Now to get Fessy (and friends) to help me build it!

2pT

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Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 31 May 2002 11:18 am

Lower your 2nd string a whole tone

Use with pedal 1 for that counter point lick from the 60's starting back two frets with both down etc.

Larry

Doug Seymour · Post by **Doug Seymour** » 31 May 2002 3:27 pm

What Larry said!!! Good one! Just a lick, though!

Brad Burch · Post by **Brad Burch** » 3 Jun 2002 10:15 am

I contacted Bengt and asked about his suggestion of raising 6 G# -> A#. I couldn't really figure out a reason for it. Here is his replay (I hope he doesn't mind me posting it):

Hi Brad.
I'll try to explain the G#-A# whole step raise.
It is a change that I use in combination with other pedals/levers.
From open position you get an Achord when you press A&B pedal (strings 10 8 6 5 4 3)
or a F#minor7 on strings 7 6 5 4.
If the G#-A# pedal is to the left of the A pedal and you press both pedals you will
change th F# minor to a F#dom9 on strings 7 6 5 4 3.
Raising the 4 string E to F makes it a F#maj9 on the same strings.
Lowering the 4 string to Eb makes it a F#6 on strings 7 6 5 4
If you can split tune the G#-G lower on string 6 with the whole tone raise you can change between minor/dom7th on strings
7 6 5 4.
Playing two frets below open position makes lots of interesting licks using the
Apedal and the G#-A# in turns. Also in that position you have a b7th note string4, 6th
note string2, 9th note string 3 and root note string 7 & 1.
There is so many fun things to do with it that it is well worth a try.
The G#-A# will do the same in the A+F pos (3fret up Aped + E to F) as the A pedal itself would do in the open position.
Hope this helps.
Keep on steelin'
Bengt

I put this change on the pedal "0" yesterday and must say that I love it. I especially like the really low "bendable" notes you can get two frets back from open position with 9th string raise. There are a lot of really cool things to do with this change and they make sense, not just licks.

Now I need to figure out what to do with the other pull on this pedal. Any suggestions on that one? Right now it is raising 1, which is redundant as I alreay got that on RKL.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 3 Jun 2002 10:50 am

I put this change on the pedal "0" yesterday and must say that I love it.

I like middle G# -> A# too and it is my pedal 0 on all my E9 necks. It is also a knee lever on my C6 as middle A -> B.

Now I need to figure out what to do with the other pull on this pedal. Any suggestions on that one?

I suggest no other pulls on that pedal.