How many lower the 10th string B to A?

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 29 May 2002 4:05 am

It makes a nice counter to raising the 6th string G# to A at the same time.

Larry Behm

Kenny Forbess · Post by **Kenny Forbess** » 29 May 2002 5:12 am

I've been useing it a good while,and have coaxed most of the guy's around the Memphis area into trying it.
Works really well in lot's of phraseing.
I have it on my RKR.

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Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 29 May 2002 6:29 am

Hi Larry,
The guys at the BMI booth in St.Louis turned me onto this change about 3 years ago. On S12U it's string 12, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on string 10 of a standard E9 10 string.
I guess Zane Beck and Julian Tharpe were hip to this change back in their days.
I have it on the A pedal, so with A+B down you get a huge bottom end that can support several different chord forms depending on what strings you pick.
I have installed it on my Push Pull also and it was pretty easy. I got a rod from Home Depot, then all you need is a bell crank and some lock collars.
Nice change!

Bob Farlow · Post by **Bob Farlow** » 29 May 2002 7:07 am

I lower 5 & 10.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 29 May 2002 8:29 am

Bob,
Do you have unison A's on stings 5 and 6 with A+B down?... or are you using an open A6th tuning where the open tuning is egual to A+B down, and you lower strings to get E9?

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 29 May 2002 8:41 am

I haven't seen him in about 16 or 17 years but an old bud of mine in Southern California named James O'Rafferty who was a really hot steel player used to do this change. He used it on pedal 1 where he raised his 5th string to C# and lowered the 10th to A. This was pretty cool....he also tuned his 9th string to C# so he got a good A6th. with the A&B pedals down with no D note to pick around.

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Tony Dingus · Post by **Tony Dingus** » 29 May 2002 8:55 am

I lower my 10th with pedal C. Pedals B & C
with 9th lowered to c# gives a good bottom end for A6th, strings 5 thru 10 anyway.It
comes in handy for me since all I have is a single neck.

Tony

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 29 May 2002 9:03 am

Is this not the PF pedal change? Lowering 5, 6 and 10 a whole tone?

It becomes strings 5, 6 and 9 on my U-12. Great change.

carl

Marc Friedland · Post by **Marc Friedland** » 29 May 2002 9:42 am

Yes, I have it on my left knee vertical lever on my Carter S10 3 & 5. I have that same vertical lever lower my 5th string "B" only a half step to Bb. For you "newbies", the idea is not to play both the 5th & 10th strings at the same time in this instance, but to have more options available in conjunction with other string combinations. -- Marc

Post by **b0b** » 29 May 2002 11:20 am

I'm lowering low B to A on my Williams.
http://b0b.com/tunings/blee.htm#crossover

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Bob Farlow · Post by **Bob Farlow** » 29 May 2002 11:28 am

Pete, with A & B pedals down strings 5 & 10 are raised to C#. My LKL lowers 5 & 10 a half step.[This message was edited by Bob Farlow on 29 May 2002 at 12:30 PM.]

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 29 May 2002 11:33 am

I have it on two guitars, my 9th string is C#, so pedal 4 lowers 10 -> A and raises strings 5 and 6 to A and C# which makes an A6 with a maj 7th (G#) on top for 8 strings worth of emergency swing.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 29 May 2002 2:20 pm

"Emergency swing"?

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 29 May 2002 2:32 pm

I started using that change over 30 years ago!

I have it on the same knee lever that lowers the 2nd a full tone. When using it with the "A" pedal (strings 2,6,& 10), it provides the most beautiful IV-V7-I chord resolve on the instrument (IMHO). However, that's not the reason I put it on there. The actual reason I started using it was so I could play Don Rich's licks on the Buck Owens songs.

You see, we didn't always have the luxury of having a lead guitar player. And when we didn't, I was expected to do all those classic "tele-licks".

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 29 May 2002 2:42 pm

I lower string 12 to A on my U-12
Williams, 8 x 6.