C6th tuning ( harmonically)

Andy Schick · Post by **Andy Schick** » 1 May 2002 5:17 pm

Does anyone out there have a C6th tuning chart that indicates tuning by harmonics.
Starting with the C note, and at which Hertz. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Andy.

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Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 1 May 2002 5:36 pm

You asked for harmonics, then asked for Hertz.

Here's a link to Jeff Newman's E9, C6 and E9/B6 charts, in Hertz: http://www.jeffran.com/tuning/tuning.htm

Andy Schick · Post by **Andy Schick** » 1 May 2002 5:55 pm

Hi Jim,

I feel that most guitars have some cabinet drop, therefore, once a reference note is established I like to tune it with itself. For an example, I tune my E9th harmonically with itself with the reference note being E, 8th string, at 442.5. In my opinion, once I am tuned and I compare my hertz to Jeff's charts, the results are close, but, slightly varied due to the use of different guitars.
When I tune my E9th this way, with A,B, pedals down, my 3rd string A note is at A440.
Any thoughts on this is greatly appreciated.

Andy

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John Lacey · Post by **John Lacey** » 2 May 2002 5:16 am

Andy, this is an example where the straight-up (440) tuning method works great. When I first heard about it for the E9th. I actually tried it on C6 and wow, it just cleared up so many compromises that I was making. I don't even worry about cabinet drop(of course my Emmons only has about 2cents worth at the most), and life is simpler. It took a bit longer for it to settle in on E9th. but now I'm happy there too. I also critically listen to my playing all the time on recordings in my studio and I think I'm playing more in tune with the rest of the band than I ever did. And I used to get calls from producers and engineers before because I played in tune. Try it, at least on C6th. I think you'll like it, especially with other instruments.

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 2 May 2002 8:06 am

"Does anyone out there have a C6th tuning chart that indicates tuning by harmonics."

I don't have a chart Andy, but maybe some of the following will help.

1. Harmonic the 1st string at the 12th fret, and the 3rd string at the 19th fret. Tune the 1st string for zero beat. Note: Do this AFTER you have tuned the 3rd string to correct pitch.

2. Harmonic the 3rd string at the 19th fret and the 5th string at the 24th fret for zero beat.

3. Harmonic the 2nd string at the 5th fret and the 3nd string at the 4th fret and tune the 2nd string for zero beat. Note: it takes mucho practice to get these harmonics to sound loud and clear. However, it CAN be done with time and patience.

4. Harmonic the 2nd string at the 12th fret and the 4th string at the 19th fret for zero beat.

5. for the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 10th strings you can use octaves (one string open the other harmonic) to get these zero beats.

6. Harmonic the 7th string at the 12th fret and the 9th string at the 19th fret for zero beat.

This should cover the open strings. The pedals and knee levers can be tricky. It depends on whether the "pulled" strings are creating major/minor thirds and 4th's/5th's. OR, 7th's, 9th's, dim's etc.

Here is an example.

In the case of the 7th and 8th pedal or the knee lever that lowers the 3rd string, you can use the harmonic positions as above.

You can also use this for the 6th pedal when it comes to the 2nd string raise.

BUT, when you get to the 5th pedal and the 6th string lower on the 6th pedal, you got a problem.

IF, you harmonic these strings, they will be out of tune for what they are intended. Example:

Lowering of the 5th string from G to F#. This creates a beautiful 9th chord (strings 2, 3 and 5) IF, the 5th string is NOT in tune harmonicly.

If you tune this pull harmonicly, the 4th and 5th strings will sound great when picked together, but the 9th chord on strings 2, 3 and 5 will not sound nearly as good.

So how do you tune this 5th string lower? Well you will get as many ideas as there are musicians in the world

After years of experimenting I have found the most reliable way for me is to tune the 5th string to the 4th string by placing the bar at the the 3rd fret/5th string and tuning 5th string for zero beat with the open 4th string. Others might tune it by ear. Try it either way or you may come up with another method that is better for you.

The other pedals and knee levers fall in the same scenario. Harmonics work in some cases. In others they don't.

Now the most important note of all. If one tunes the C6 neck to straight 440, NONE of the above is true. AND to some players, it is a better averall compromise than using harmonics.

Good luck and God bless you with it,

carl

Andy Schick · Post by **Andy Schick** » 2 May 2002 8:12 am

Thanks Carl,
This is exactly what I am looking for.
Thanks again. Andy

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Doug Seymour · Post by **Doug Seymour** » 2 May 2002 8:47 am

John, I came around a year or two ago after
tuning to Jeff's old charts with my electronic tuner for years. I now tune everything to A 440 and am happy with that, but not all players seem to be.