12 string E9th/B6th Universal

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 7 Apr 2002 11:00 pm

How many play this tuning,and would care to post their set-up. Thanks.

Brad Sarno · Post by **Brad Sarno** » 8 Apr 2002 8:12 am

I've got a Mullen U-12. 8 pedals, 5 levers.

A,B,C pedals are standard Emmons setup.
4-8 are standard C6 copedants
LKL is E's up to F's (on 4 and

LKR is B (6th string) down a half step
LKV is F# up to G (on 1 and 7)
RKL is E's down to D# (on 4 and

RKR is B(9) up to D and D#(2) down two stops

Pretty basic and it works great for me. Easy to go in and out of the B6 mode while playing. Simply RKL and viola. I also have a lock for the RKL if I want to stay in that mode for a whole song.

Brad Sarno
Mullen U-12/Fender Twin/BW

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 8 Apr 2002 10:37 am

Pedal 1 raises 5 and 9 a whole tone. Also very slightly lowers 1 and 7.

Pedal 2 raises 3, 6 and 10 a half tone.

Pedal 3 lowers 1 and 7 a half tone. Also, raises 11 a half tone. And, raises 12 a whole tone. (pedal 5 on a D-10).

Pedal 4 raises 5 and 6 a whole tone. (pedal 7 on a D-10).

Pedal 5 raises 9 a half tone. It lowers 11 a half tone and lowers 12 a tone and a half. (pedal 8 on a D-10).

Pedal 6 lowers 4 a tone and a half. Also, raises 11 a whole tone.

LKL raises 4, 8 and 11 a half tone.

LKL2 lowers 2 a half tone. And raises 9 and 10 a tone and a half.

LKVL raises 4 and 8 a whole tone. (Makes up for no C pedal).

LKVR lowers 5 a half tone. (C to B knee lever on a D-10 using C neck). "Splits" with pedal 1 AND Pedal 4.

LKR lowers 4 and 8 a half tone.

RKL raises 1 a whole tone. Also, raises 2 a half tone and lowers 6 a whole tone. ( I do NOT like this. These changes should be on separate knee levers). "Splits" with B pedal.

RKR raises 4 a half tone. And lowers 8 a whole tone. (Pedal 6 on a D-10). "Splits" with LKR and pedal 6.

RKR2 lowers 2 a whole tone. Also, Raises 9 a whole tone and lowers 12 a whole tone.

mickd · Post by **mickd** » 8 Apr 2002 11:58 am

I have almost followed the standard Sierra Session 12 (8/5) setup. Only two things I've changed is my LKR now lowers 2 a tone as well as lowering the E's, and my RKL only lowers the top B instead of 5 & 9.
I'm sometimes tempted to make other changes but then I think its probably a better idea to learn to play a bit better with what I've got first

Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 8 Apr 2002 7:53 pm

raises are red, lowers are blue... I like my U12, how about you

I don't use LL2 or Pedal 5 often. I may change them to other functions

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SveinungL · Post by **SveinungL** » 9 Apr 2002 2:17 pm

Here is mine:

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The guitar is equipped with a lock that keeps the RKR lowered
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John Sims · Post by **John Sims** » 16 Apr 2002 11:34 am

Here's mine...

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John

Steelin' is a way of life!

My PSG website-Carter SD-12-U, 8p/5k, Nashville 1000

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 16 Apr 2002 11:51 am

Lloyd Green 12 string Sho-Bud,seven pedal five knee, natural laquar. Wow! I have one for the person that wants a 12 string universal steel that sounds as good as a studio 10 string.This is not the buy and sell section I know, but the reason I'm posting here is to let everyone know that you can get incredible tone from a U-12. This guitar is for sale but is living proof that the typical tone loss of going to a 12 string doesn't have to be tolorated.

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 17 Apr 2002 8:50 am

I usually don't get complaints about the sound of my push-pull U-12 (the Fessy either, for that matter).

Buddy mentioned one time that he held the common prejudice that 12-strings lack a little something in the tone department. He played his basket weave S-12 on a session and I believe his comment was that it sounded just like his push-pull D-10.

Just my perspective.

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Emmons D-10 9x9, 1971 Dobro

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Dennis Detweiler · Post by **Dennis Detweiler** » 17 Apr 2002 10:51 am

I think Buddy refered to the tone difference as "brain floss"

He thought the tone was a little different in the beginning, but after hearing the U-12 played back on a recording, he found no differnce between the U-12 and his D-10 p/p.
I've heard the same complaint from D-10 players that don't care for the U-12 concept. I know a couple of experienced D-10 players that tried a U-12 for a while. Usually ends up with two complaints: Can't get used to the tuning and the tone isn't the same. I can understand the first dislike, but I could hear no difference in tone when the guitars are the same brand and pickup.
I've owned a few guitars in the 33yrs that I've been playing. Three were D-10s and two U-12s. I've never had better tone than the 1983 U-12 Zum GeorgeL pickup that I currently play.
Dennis

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 17 Apr 2002 10:59 am

I played D-12's and now play a Universal. My double neck has a beefier pickup on the C6 neck. I do miss the tonal changes from one neck to the other on the Universal.

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-=Fessenden Ext. E9/U-13 8&8=-

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 17 Apr 2002 11:04 am

Jim,
You could get a multi tap pickup like the GeorgeL 5-way.
The Sierra shop had some Danny Shields 3-way pickups also last time I was there.
pete

Bill Llewellyn · Post by **Bill Llewellyn** » 17 Apr 2002 11:07 am

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 17 Apr 2002 11:32 am

Pete, that's one of the reasons I'm thinking about going back to a D-12. To get the pedal and knee lever changes I had before onto a single tuning, I'd have to go to two sets of knee levers again, and have to move my left knee to use them. Even then I would run out of changer holes to use. If I had to hit a pickup switch too, the only advantage of going to one tuning would be the saving of 5-10 pounds of weight.

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Jim Smith jimsmith94@charter.net
-=Dekley D-12 10&12=-
-=Fessenden Ext. E9/U-13 8&8=-

Jon Light · Post by **Jon Light** » 17 Apr 2002 11:38 am

wild bill.....wait for me......

My SetUp

Terry Downs · Post by **Terry Downs** » 17 Apr 2002 7:16 pm

Here is my universal setup.

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Tom Jordan · Post by **Tom Jordan** » 17 Apr 2002 10:36 pm

Alrighty then, here's mine...I'm not interested in adding more pedals but I have a handful of rods. What do you think?

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Tom Jordan: E9th/B6th [Sierra 5/5]
Open LKL LKV LKR A B 5 6 7 RKL RKR
F# 440.5 G 440
D# 438 C# 439
G# 438 A 440
E 441 F 438 D# 440 E 441 F# 438
B 441 A# 441 C# 438 C# 441
G# 438 A 440 A# 440
F# 440 F 438
E 441 F 438 D# 440 D 441 D 440
B 441 C# 438
G# 438 A 440
E 441 F 438
B 440 G# 438 C# 438
</pre>

Tom Jordan

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Sierra Royalty S12 5/5 Universal Tuning, Session 400 LTD, ProFex II