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Topic: Outsider / New Steel |
John Kolodij
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Saunderstown, Rhode Island
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Posted 3 Jan 2012 10:49 am |
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The idea of this thread was sprouted in the Different Styles thread, but this is more for chatting about techniques, tunings, effects, inspirations, etc for let's say, more avant/progressive -we all love all forms of steel playing, but here it'll be focused more on a newly divine path---a good places to get a heads up on the goings on of Alcorn, Lanois, Smith, Leisz, Cole, etc.....
I'd love to chat about tunings-if and how people have come across their own...
here's a set I played a bit ago, PSG derived
(I'll also say upfront, it's ambient/noise/whathaveyou)
http://soundcloud.com/highaurad/live-at-cafe-fixe-11-15-11-non |
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Daniel Morris
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Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 5:10 pm
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Very cool, John!
Izzat yer new pedal steel at the High Aura'd blog? Nice!
As with everything I play, I use my E9/B6 MSA 12 string Universal. Nothing strange about any of the pitches or pedal, I find it all boils down to how things are played. On one of my bands' songs, I use my VM SuperDelay in the Mode C reverse delay setting, and play nearly random notes that squiggle and buzz, but fit the mood of the song. I do hover around the chords, but in some passages, it doesn't matter.
Rough from a rehearsal with my prog/art-rock band, INTRA:
http://soundcloud.com/steelydannyboy/small-world2
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1979 MSA U12 Pedal Steel
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
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John Kolodij
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Saunderstown, Rhode Island
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Posted 5 Jan 2012 7:28 am
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I guess what I'm after as far as different tunings is similar to what say, DADGAD or Open G/Open Em is to regular guitar---or even what bands like Sonic Youth have done with alternate tunings-
I've always found that guitars resonate so differently in other tunings
Susan Alcorn has her own tuning-Daniel Lanois has a variation on E9 that he employs-anyone else stretching it like that?
anyone here not play with fingerpicks?
I'm have such a hard time getting used to them from playing guitar with a thumbpick and a claw style grab
feels more natural to me
Daniel, would I be wrong if I was getting a Police vibe from your band? dig the squiggles and buzz
That's my new LDG-(I changed the picture) |
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John Kolodij
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Saunderstown, Rhode Island
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Posted 8 Jan 2012 6:28 pm
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| gonna keep trying here |
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John Kolodij
From:
Saunderstown, Rhode Island
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Posted 18 Jan 2012 10:40 am
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as I am stubborn...
I guess what I'm after as far as different tunings is similar to what say, DADGAD or Open G/Open Em is to regular guitar---or even what bands like Sonic Youth have done with alternate tunings-
I've always found that guitars resonate so differently in other tunings
Susan Alcorn has her own tuning-Daniel Lanois has a variation on E9 that he employs-anyone else stretching it like that? |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 18 Jan 2012 11:29 am
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I believe (perhaps mistakenly) that Susan uses a more or less standard 12 string C6 with an added D string as her 8th string.
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 18 Jan 2012 1:30 pm
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Susan uses a pretty standard tuning as do most all the adventurous steel players. You seem to have a basic misconception about the steel guitar and how it relates to playing music. The way the steel is tuned has very little to do with what sort of music you play on it. There are only 12 notes so if you know how to find them on whatever tuning you have you can play any music you want. This is particularly true with the pedalsteel because of how massively variable the basic tunings are.
The times that the tunings do make a difference is when you are playing something somebody else played before. So tuning set ups are much more significant to people into a more traditional or retro thing. None of the players you mentioned that play a bit outside the traditional role of steel guitar have significantly different tunings than standard.
If you are into Sonic Youth you might want to look into the ideas and music of Glen Branca and David First. Those guys have truly unique systems of making music. Its where Sonic Youth directly got its most basic concepts from.
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John Kolodij
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Saunderstown, Rhode Island
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Posted 18 Jan 2012 2:28 pm
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Bob:
I'm afraid you missed the nuance of my question-
which is have people branched out on tunings more than the 4-5 that ever get discussed-
I am interested in the way strings resonate together when certain tunings are used--
and I just wonder if someone has explored this-
I am very familiar with Branca, etc and I'm also very familiar with Classical Indian music-
have you ever heard Debashish Bhattacharya?
he uses a slide too, but it's rather different than Mississippi Fred McDowell. I used Sonic Youth as an example because they took ideas and made them whole in another form
I'm just looking for discussion and discovery, and if not "here", where else? |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Posted 18 Jan 2012 3:59 pm
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I am interested in the way strings resonate together when certain tunings are used--
and I just wonder if someone has explored this- |
Check out Chas Smith.
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Daniel Morris
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Westlake, Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2012 10:24 am
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John:
You might want to ask Susan about her tuning(s).
I believe she posted one somewhere here, and that one's not standard. I think she does use different tunings on various guitars, in various contexts, and she has said the it's more a matter of what allows her more of what she needs for particular pieces/styles.
You can always PM or e-mail her or Chas - they've been very gracious with replies to me.
You're right of course, people do invent their own tunings, but I think you'd find that based on their needs, wants or intentions.
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1979 MSA U12 Pedal Steel
1982 Kline U12 Pedal steel
2019 Sierra U12 Pedal Steel
2011 Bear Creek MK Weissenborn
Milkman 40W Mini amp w/Telonics 15" speaker.
Dr. Z Surgical Steel w/TT 15" speaker.
Frenzel MB-50 head.
Spaceman, Empress, Eventide, Pigtronix. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2012 10:42 am
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Since this is about pedal steel tunings, I've moved it to the Pedal Steel section.
One of the strangest tunings I've developed is the F Diatonic. It works with skip grips, very much like playing a piano in the key of C.
I also have a 12 string version.
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