Question about Nashville 112 and Volume Pedal

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 27 Dec 2011 1:48 pm

I got a Nashville 112 for Christmas and the operations manual shows hooking up the volume pedal different than in line like I do now with my smaller amp. The diagram shows the volume pedal to the PRE EQ PATCH input and output. How do any of you guys hook yours up? Thanks

Robert Jenkins · Post by **Robert Jenkins** » 28 Dec 2011 12:06 pm

Steve-
I don't have that amp (though I'd like to), so I can't help other than to suggest that you ask this question on the pedal steel forum. More volume pedal literate folk over there.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 28 Dec 2011 12:34 pm

Peavey has been building this feature into their amps since way back with the Session 500. The idea is that it keeps your tone pure without coloration from the volume pedal.

Here's the explanation from Peavey's Mike Brown in pdf. http://www.peavey.com/media/pdf/steelgu ... qpatch.pdf

Most folks I know just plug straight into the #1 input, but the 3 cord Pre EQ patch does seem to work very well.

If you need more information, you might pm or email Peavey representative Mike Brown. Mike is a member here and very helpful.

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 28 Dec 2011 2:04 pm

Robert and Jerry: Thanks much. I hooked it up like that (diagram with the amp) and it sounds good.

Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 28 Dec 2011 5:31 pm

Moved to Electronics.

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 28 Dec 2011 7:20 pm

Many always put the VP ahead of the amp altogether, some prefer it inserted via the Pre-EQ loop as you are discussing, results can vary, mostly depending on the pedal(s) involved. Either way is fine, if you want to do what "most people" are doing then just do what works for you and you're gonna be golden

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 28 Dec 2011 7:25 pm

Thanks Dave. I've got a Fender volume pedal. I put it in the loop and sounds good to me.

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 28 Dec 2011 7:26 pm

Jerry. I sent an e-mail to Mike Brown and it came back with a not valid e-mail address.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 28 Dec 2011 8:01 pm

I dunno Steve. Look at this post. The 8th post down Mike lists a ph.#. You can click on his pm button there also and send him a message. Perhaps he would return your message or send you an updated email address.

I know he checks in from time to time, so he may see your post and reply here as well.

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... highlight=

Dave Hopping · Post by **Dave Hopping** » 28 Dec 2011 9:28 pm

Mike's a real gent about answering Peavey-related questions.Good guy to have on the SGF.
I always use the "volume pedal patch".It just seems more logical to have the guitar going straight into the front of the amp with a short cord and a strong signal,and it sounds subtly better IMO.

Dan Beller-McKenna · Post by **Dan Beller-McKenna** » 29 Dec 2011 3:35 am

Not all amps react the same to how the vp is lined up. On my nv400 it makes no difference whether I go from the steel to the vp to the amp or if I put the vp through the effects loop. But on my Session 500, with the an active pedal, it only sounds good through the loop; I get all kinds of nonsense with the more traditional steel-vp-amp chain. No idea why that is.

Dan

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 29 Dec 2011 1:02 pm

How would you all hook up a Boss DD-3, in the Post EQ Patch loop? Or would you hook one up?

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 29 Dec 2011 1:18 pm

As long as you don't have a noise issue from it, I think you should put it right after the VP, wherever you put THAT.

I'd personally put it in the closet until everybody else quits using it for every freaking song. Just like I did with my chorus about the time Cherokee Fiddle came out. I kept mine hidden for about five years.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 29 Dec 2011 1:37 pm

There's nothing wrong with a little delay. It helps to sweeten your overall tone. It stays on all night, in varying degrees, in my chain....either in a multi-fx box or an analog stomp box. Chorus either for that matter used sparingly. Effects are just tools like everything else. They can help you get a better sound when used properly. Or a different sound as needed.

When I use a delay stompbox, I stick it right into the guitar jack with a double male jack, then continue on with the chain as usual. That way, I can adjust it/turn it on or off depending on the tune.

Your 112 manual describes how to install devices into the loop, so I'd just follow those instructions. Stomp box labels are confusing sometimes, so hook it up like you think it should go and if it doesn't work, reverse the connections on one end.

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 29 Dec 2011 2:03 pm

If using a Hilton VP, I believe that Keith recommends running guitar to pedal then straight into the amp input as opposed to using the patch.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 29 Dec 2011 3:44 pm

Good point David. I think the volume pedal circuitry was designed into the amp considering passive pot volume pedals, so definitely the new electronic pedals may behave differently.

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 29 Dec 2011 5:53 pm

I have the DD-3 in the closet Lane. I must have did it right.

Chris Brooks · Post by **Chris Brooks** » 30 Dec 2011 8:35 am

Like David and Jerry, I run my Hilton pedal between the instrument's output and the NV 112 input rather than in the Pedal-In-and Out loop.

Sounds great, IMHO.

With the old Goodrich pedal, I used the loop.

Chris

Mike Wheeler · Post by **Mike Wheeler** » 30 Dec 2011 7:04 pm

I can verify that the Pre-EQ loop was intended for pot volume pedals. Putting the steel into the amp input, and the pot volume pedal into the Pre-EQ loop, (3-wire hookup) provides a much better impedance match. This keeps you guitar's tone constant at any volume pedal position.

It wasn't intended for active pedals like the Hilton, Telonics, etc.

Steve Duke · Post by **Steve Duke** » 30 Dec 2011 7:26 pm

Dave, Jerry, Chris, Mike: What about a Fender VP? Had any experience with it or know someone that has?

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 31 Dec 2011 6:37 am

Sorry, no experience with the Fender pedals new or reissue, but I think they are all passive. In that case, I believe they would benefit from the volume pedal circuitry built into the 112.