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Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 6 Jul 2011 8:59 am

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Mike Neer · Post by **Mike Neer** » 6 Jul 2011 9:16 am

Thanks, Doug. The POG2 tracks very nicely, it seems. I've been wrestling with buying one for a while, but for some reason I keep resisting.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 6 Jul 2011 9:42 am

Thanks Mike, I too had to think for a while before buying one of these. Most of the sounds it creates are of little use to me. I just wanted the organ simulator.
I've always liked the organ effect on steel guitar. Back in the '70s I had a "Fender Leslie" cabinet. I used it along with my regular amp... a footswitch would direct the signal to either the steel amp or the Leslie. It was an awesome sound, but I soon grew tired of hauling the Leslie around.

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 6 Jul 2011 10:02 am

Sounds good, Doug! BTW, I think you've started something now, with embedding a YouTube image-link into a Forum posting. Don't think we've had that before. Can you 'splain how to do it? (Perhaps you want to do that elsewhere, like in Forum Feedback?)

Thanks,
Jim

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 6 Jul 2011 10:13 am

Thanks Jim, but I can't give away All of my secrets!

Here's how I make the picture link... go to the youtube video, pause the video, and press Control/PrintScreen. Then I paste the image to a photo program, crop it, reduce the size and store it on the desktop. To see how to set up the html in the Forum text box, go to my opening post and click on Edit. It's just that simple!

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 6 Jul 2011 10:31 am

Sounds very good, thanks for the information about the gadget.

Steve English · Post by **Steve English** » 6 Jul 2011 10:32 am

This was the one I used back in the Rusty Young glory days of Poco:

If you can find one, they are the cat's meow....mostly because the speeds actually ramp up and down when selected, just like the real deal. Very fat sounding too.
I wired a small radio Shack project box with 4 switches and mounted it right behind the changer so I could switch it easily with my little finger.

Very realistic....

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 6 Jul 2011 10:52 am

Nice video Doug! Here's my page on the Pog2 alone and with the Line 6 Roto-Machine. I just got a used original design H&K Rotoshere and I'll be putting up a page soon for that combo.

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Pog2/Pog2.html

Greg

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 6 Jul 2011 11:23 am

Thanks Greg, your audio clips are what convinced me to buy the POG2! Great stuff. I bought a H&K Rotosphere II a few years ago, but It sounded noisy to me. I just couldn't warm up to it for some reason. I'm going to keep experimenting with the POG. There is a setting listed on line for a Hammond B3 sound, but it isn't as realistic as the church organ sound IMO. Cheers.

Brad Sarno · Post by **Brad Sarno** » 6 Jul 2011 11:49 am

First time I heard this approach was a couple years ago. St. Louis steel player, Scott Swartz, had the POG into a leslie simulator kind of like Greg's demo. Doug, I like how you minimize the vibrato and glissando and find organ-like chord voicings. Scott pointed out how if you play the steel like an organ thru these two effects, it's uncanny, purely convincing B3 on pedal steel.

So many of us have tried to get an organ sound with just the Leslie simulators alone, but that just gets the guitar/leslie effect. The POG is the secret weapon. It's how you get the drawbar overtones so each string is like a set of adjustable-level Hammond tonewheels. Polyphonic Octave Generator!!! This ain't your grandpa's octave pedal. It deciphers chords and does a pretty good job of it. POG into Leslie sim, wow...

B

Tim Walker · Post by **Tim Walker** » 6 Jul 2011 12:17 pm

Has anyone compared the Pog and the Pog 2? A friend who is a great violin player thinks the the original Pog sounds much better. I've only checked out the Micro Pog which although more limited, sounded great to me.

Gordon Hartin · Post by **Gordon Hartin** » 6 Jul 2011 12:20 pm

I have the original Pog and have played with the pog 2. The Pog 2 does way more, plus you can save settings. But, I do like the simplicity of the original pog.

mike nolan · Post by **mike nolan** » 6 Jul 2011 4:02 pm

Great Doug!

Where did you put the POG in the signal chain?

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 6 Jul 2011 6:25 pm

Thanks guys. Mike, I put the POG before the volume pedal. Effects that modulate or overdrive I usually patch into directly from the steel guitar. Any reverbs or delays I put after the volume pedal. That's what works for me anyway.

Brad, I agree that minimal use of the pedals and avoiding slides helps to create an organ-like sound. What seems to work best is just picking a chord and letting the POG do the work.

Dan Tyack · Post by **Dan Tyack** » 6 Jul 2011 7:53 pm

I've gotten the best B3 sound combining the POG with my Motion Sound guitar leslie speaker.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 6 Jul 2011 8:23 pm

In answer to a couple of inquiries:

The POG2 produces two octaves Below the original note(s) and two octaves Above the original note(s). So five octaves may be heard in all (including the original sound).

There are sliders to control the output level of each octave. There is also a slider to Detune the upper two octaves, and a couple of other effect sliders.

In the video I'm using four octaves (including the original sound).

* a small amount of the original sound

* none of the -2 octave

* about 60% of the -1 octave

* about 60% of the +1 octave

* about 50% of the +2 octave

* 100% "detune"

Those are the approximate settings suggested on the electro-harmonix web site.

Rich Gibson · Post by **Rich Gibson** » 8 Jul 2011 6:22 am

I didn't have room on my pedalboard for the POG2 but recently road tested a micro POG in front of my Line6 Roto-Machine and am very pleased with the result.I got a big thumbs up from the soundmen at 2 gigs this past saturday,one outdoor and one indoor.
I'm not crazy about the sound demos of the POG2 by itself.To me a bit too Rock of Ages clean but in front of a leslie sim it's pretty cool.As noted you do have adjust your playing accordingly.
Just my experience of course and Thanks to Greg and Doug for taking the time to post very helpfull and informative samples.

Rich Santucci · Post by **Rich Santucci** » 8 Jul 2011 6:30 am

I've been doing some research on Leslie simulation products, and although I haven't purchased anything, I'm leaning towards this unit.

http://neo-instruments.de/de/ventilator ... r-features

I like the fact that you can set your speed up and slow down rates. check out the clips.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 8 Jul 2011 6:48 am

Has anyone tried the LESLIE 3300?

* rotating speaker sound, single-channel

* 2-speed horn rotor with a ferro fluid driver

* bass rotor with a 15" woofer

* powered by a 300-watt solid-state amp with a real tube preamp.

* sturdy cabinet, heavy duty casters

Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 8 Jul 2011 7:40 am

That's the real deal.
Good thing it's got casters though!

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 8 Jul 2011 8:31 am

The 3300 is smaller and lighter than a full size Leslie. It weighs 125 lbs, and it has wheels. I'm curious to know how a pedal steel guitar would sound through one of these.

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 8 Jul 2011 12:42 pm

The Leslie 3300 is $2400 new and there's a used one with a road case on ebay now. From the reviews I've read it's somewhat better than the Motion Sound 145T. If Leslie is a big thing to you, pay the $2400 and you've got the best for life, no trade-offs, no buyer remorse and no future upgrades. It's biamped at 80/300 watts RMS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfdcAnHYH18

Greg

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 9 Jul 2011 7:33 am

Rich Santucci wrote:I've been doing some research on Leslie simulation products, and although I haven't purchased anything, I'm leaning towards this unit.

http://neo-instruments.de/de/ventilator ... r-features

I like the fact that you can set your speed up and slow down rates. check out the clips.

I don't know anything about this unit, but here's the page in English: http://www.neo-instruments.de/en/ventil ... r-features

Joe Casey · Post by **Joe Casey** » 10 Jul 2011 6:16 am

Is it possible to make an Organ sound like a Steel?

Russ Wever · Post by **Russ Wever** » 10 Jul 2011 8:31 pm

Is it possible to make an Organ sound like a Steel?

Lowry, and some other brands, had
a tab for "Hawaiian Steel" sound.

They sounded no more like a steel
than steels can sound like organs

Russ