C6 course

John Turbeville · From: Carlsbad, ca

Hey all, Im progressing from E9th to the C6th neck, anybody have an idea for a good, simple C6th course? I'm good with music theory etc....looking for something thats get me quickly to where I can jam on my own across basic progressions. Thanks as always for all your patience and help. JT.

Mark van Allen · From: Watkinsville, Ga. USA

John, a search will bring up a lot on this subject, but my suggestions would be Buddy Emmons Basic C6 course and Jeff Newman's two C6 courses to get going. Very good beginner courses with lots to build on.

Gianni Gori · From: Livorno, Italy

I'm in the same boat...
I started with the C6 no longer than 4 months ago.
I find very useful the C6th Workshop by Jeff Newman and the HWP-200 and HWP-201 courses by Herby Wallace.
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CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

the " Basic C6 " by Buddy is a great initiative course
it got me on the track & served me well
obviously, any of Buddy's C6 tabs ( all the " Swing " series " ) are a must have IMO

David Mason · From: Cambridge, MD, USA

I went through just about all of them, and I found that the 2 Herbie Wallace courses mentioned above were the most concise, largest amount of info in the smallest space courses. At some point (soonest) you'll want to start connecting the neck to melodies you pull out of the air, so some sight-singing or serious CD-collection time will do much good parallel to a specific instrument course - this depends on your background, what else you play. Tab is great for what it is, but as soon as possible you want to keep the focus on playing music, not tab. Just working with pairs of non-adjacent strings, figuring out the intervals.... well, you'll never run out of something to do! Mr. Green

Herby Wallace · From: Sevierville, TN, R.I.P.

Yes, I have quite a few courses for the C6th tuning and my HWP-200 and HWP-201 are the most complete to get you started. If you need to get in touch, my email address is: HWallac480@aol.com

Thanks,

Herby Wallace

Jim Palenscar · From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

I have all the Emmons courses for sale and the C6th one is superb.

John Turbeville · From: Carlsbad, ca

Hey Jim, I'll have to popup to the shop to check them out. Thanks for letting me know you have them.

Cal Sharp · From: the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN

Courses can be helpful, but another way to learn that neck is to approach it just like any other musical instrument. Learn where the scales and chord inversions are, and that will lead you to pockets you can play out of, especially since you're good with theory.
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Jim Palenscar · From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

I don't have inventory descriptions on the web site- sorry.

John Turbeville · From: Carlsbad, ca

Cal: Thats exactly what Im looking for, I just need to be able to get where I know the chords and location of things. I did that with the E9 neck, and also Lap Steel stuff and it works well.

It really made me a much better 6 string player too, more theory and transitions etc. in pedal steel

Cal Sharp · From: the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN

Cool, John. I think a lot of players, maybe steel players more than others, can get so hung up learning licks and tab that they miss out on how to apply basic music theory to their instrument.
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Herby Wallace · From: Sevierville, TN, R.I.P.

For what it's worth, my HWP-200 course contains chords, chord progression, scales in addition to licks, intros and songs. The way I try to teach is to learn the chords and scales first and then the songs and licks after that. In this course, in the chord section I start out with major, minor and 7th chords, but I also cover, dim, aug, 9ths, b9 chords, +9 chords, 11th chords, 13th chords and more. I show the spelling or notes that form the chord and then the string group for each voicing. The scales in this course are the most basic ones and then my next course HWP201 which is a little more advanced, I cover chord substitutions and more complex scales. Like some of the guys said, tab of songs and licks is just to give you ideas so you can branch out on your own, but it is important to learn chords, scales and theory first and the rest will fall into place. One thing I do in my HWP-200 course is I have the tune, Misty, tabbed out and it uses 5 floor pedals and 1 knee lever which is a standard C6th setup anyway, but it shows uses for all these pedals in one song. In the HWP-201 course I show uses for 2 extra knee levers. I am not writing this just as a commercial but to let you know where I am coming from in my approach to the tuning. I will add that I bought one of the Buddy Emmons basic C6th years ago when it first came out and it was excellent as anything with his name on it would be. Of course, he is my personal favorite player of all time anyway. I didn't realize that his courses were still available though.

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David Mason · From: Cambridge, MD, USA

I'm an old guy and I have no issues with learning from older material - hell-oo, J.S. Bach... but it is useful to know that a lot of these courses were written in the 80's, specifically to give you a vault into the steel styles popular then. I don't want to re-open the entire "Red River Valley" chat that was thrashed so thoroughly years back, and of course all the theory is still the same music theory (hey, get Bach!) but - if you are a "new guy" more into the ambient burbles, whale mating calls and saw-tooth fuzz steel of the new millennium - you will have to do a just a tad of supplemental research. Believe it or not, this forum is still the place to do it, just wear yer hardhat, boots 'n' photon shield.... Mr. Green

steve takacs · From: beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)

I have and continue use the Buddy Emmons "Basic C6" course, Jeff Newman's two "C6 & Swinging" courses, and Herby's "HWP 200" AND "HWP201 C6" courses. All of them will put you well on the right track to that enjoyable C6th neck. We are lucky to have this valuable instruction from these outstanding pros. stevet

Jack Aldrich · From: Washington, USA

I, too, recommend the Emmons basic C course. My C6 playing REALLY improved when I learned to play Hawaiian and western swing on my lap steels. No pedals forced me to really learn the tuning (at least the C6 part), and the 8 string non-pedal tuning is embedded in the pedal steel tuning. When I am improvising, I usualy use the pedals for voicings and fly along with slants and no pedal throws. Thanks to Buddy, I learned how to play in the 2 "pockets" available in the tuning.

Herby Wallace · From: Sevierville, TN, R.I.P.

No offense intended but the comment about only two pockets on the C6th tuning, I don't understand as I have 6 pockets that I use all the time when playing melody or improvising.

Herby Wallace

P.S. The term pockets is the term Buddy Emmons uses and in my courses, I actually call them root positions, but it is exactly the same thing.

Jack Aldrich · From: Washington, USA

Don Benoit · From: Okanagan Falls, BC

Unfortunately, there are no really good intermediate or advanced C6th courses available;however, IMHO, the Buddy Emmons Basic C6th course is the first one that I would recommend. I have all the other courses and all they show is chord dictionaries and tab. These courses should show:
- Explanation of the tab such as why certain pedals and knee levers were chosen to play the lead notes.
- Comparisons from E9th to C6th
- An explanation of chords that have no tension and others that do and where and when to use them.
- Progressive tab for the same song from simple to intermediate and advanced.
- An explanation of where to find single note runs. Chord positions or other pockets locations.
- Use of the Nashville number system in the C6th courses.

Probably why there is not much written material for C6th couses is that there is a lack of interest.

My recommendation is that a new C6th beginner should seek out several different teachers until he or she finds that that he or she feels right.

David Alley · From: St. Louis, MO, USA

Herby wallace course Is what I bought when I first start playing c6th great course for c6th If you want to go deeper in c6th try Jazz or play c6th without pedals and use bar slants I got in this awhil ago and this really helped scales is where it's at on any tuning

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