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Topic: Who Is This Player and Is He Using a B3 Effect? |
Chris Schlotzhauer
From:
Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Larry Behm
From:
Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 6:30 am |
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I put my money on the Electro Harmonix Hog, I mean Pog.
Larry Behm
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 7:54 am
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Probably not a HOG, but a POG or POG2. It would be better if he simulated the brake on the rotary. All fast rotary sim tends to sound unrealistic.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 8:38 am
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| I use the "rotary horn" in my POD XT for the Leslie effect. Fairly realistic as I get people asking about the "organ". |
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Rick Schmidt
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Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 8:55 am
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If it was the steel player, he did a great job! No bending and sliding etc. Plus you could hear the Leslie speeding up and slowing down.
However, I did see an organ player in some of the singer's videos of his other shows...on the side of the stage that's not shown in this clip.  |
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Chris Schlotzhauer
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Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 9:15 am
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Yeah I couldn't tell if an organ player was on stage or not.
If there was an organ player, then the steel was non-existent |
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Jay Jessup
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Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 6:20 pm
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| The brief shot of the steel player seemed to sync up with the sound of the B-3 licks so I am betting it was him doing a very credible B-3 imitation. Hopefully someone will see this that knows him and can relay exactly what he was using. I am betting it is one of those EH devices mentioned above in conjunction with some sort of Leslie simulator. You have to give credit to the player also because as soon as you start bending notes the accurate B-3 sound goes out the window so he gets high marks from me! |
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Brendan Mitchell
From:
Melbourne Australia
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 9:47 pm
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I would put my money on a keyboard making that sound .
If it was the steel player he did a hell of a job .
Looks a bit like Rodger Retting but that might just be the hat . |
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Bryan Daste
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 3:51 am
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| Good catch Bryan. That comment is priceless! I might like that on a T-Shirt... Since Geoff Queen is a forum member maybe he will chime in sooner or later and let us know. That really is a nice B-3 sound. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Chris Schlotzhauer
From:
Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 5:38 am
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Haha Brian, that's really funny. I read her blog quite a bit. She is a flame thrower for sure.
Greg, I think you may be right about the POG. I have been playing in a blues band quite a bit.
I might have to check that out.
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Dave Biller
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 6:00 am
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if any of you have been to the Saxon, you know that if there was an organ player and he was not on the stage, then he'd either be set up in the parking lot or the ladies room  |
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Dave Mudgett
From:
Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 6:08 am
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I think he did a great job on this - really convincing and very musical. A Pog 2 with a Leslie or good simulator is certainly capable of this sound with guitar or steel, but getting it to really feel like an organ is another story. Yet another way to expand the scope of the instrument.
That blog comment is perfect, considering the tone of the blogger. Thank you, Night Walker.  |
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Bryan Daste
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 10:19 am
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| Yep, pretty convincing! Another win for PSG. |
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Dan Tyack
From:
Olympia, WA USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 11:39 am
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| Gary Cosden wrote: |
| Good catch Bryan. That comment is priceless! I might like that on a T-Shirt... |
I might have to buy one of those t-shirts.
I can get a similar sound playing my wife's POG through my guitar leslie. But that steel player had the whole B3 thing down. Great playing! |
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Danny Naccarato
From:
Burleson, Texas
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 1:23 pm
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Chris, I've got an EH Micro Pog (not Pog2) (for the octaves) and a Line 6 Roto-Machine (various speaker/horn combos). The Line 6 also has the pedal triggered for speeding up and slowing down as well as braking. Way cool. I got very similar sounds.
You're welcome to try them out if you want...
Danny
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 1:26 pm
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Pretty nice organ tone. It could be any one of several devices that simulate organ and leslie sounds. I hear the brake in a couple places.
On my units, I can use either a separate momentary footswitch or a front panel control button to engage the brake, or switch between fast and slow rotary. With the momentary switch, just hold it down until it stops, then release it. You have to program the times it takes to ramp up and down, but it's pretty authentic for the doppler effect.
Now the organ tone is another aspect of these simulators. The ones I have are all programmable for tone as well as the rotary effect. Then there's the mental association.
You can't just throw a leslie simulator in the chain and expect that to sound like a B3.
In this video, I think it's very nice and the pads behind the rest of the music make it sound quite authentic. |
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Danny Naccarato
From:
Burleson, Texas
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Posted 17 Jun 2011 5:30 am
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| Jerry, what are you using??? |
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Danny Naccarato
From:
Burleson, Texas
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Posted 17 Jun 2011 5:33 am
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| Also, corrected my post. I have a Micro Pog, not Pog2.. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 17 Jun 2011 9:09 am
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| Out of production Boss SX700 spatial multi fx unit for me. I like it because the rotary section has some 20+ parameters that are completely programmable and the sound is very organ like. |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2011 9:37 am
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I was definitely the steel player. As mentioned, his picking matched up perfectly, and that tone is actually not difficult to get - I've been doing it for years, first on 6-string, then steel (with my B6 copedent and the way it's set up it's a better "ghost B3" than 6-string.
I've found two devices that work - my old Korg G4, which has a multitude of settings to take the tone from a Hammond/tube-amplified Leslie cab to a drier Leslie 16 (Fender Vibratone) sound.
The other is the Line 6 Rotomachine. The Leslie 16 setting on it sucks, honestly, but the 145 and 122 sounds are tremendous.
Both have ramping controls, which is really key to emulating an organ for more than a couple bars or so. Some of the other pedals mention sound OK but become monotonous very quickly - others (like my red Dunlop Rotovibe) have ramping (or in its case a sweeping speed) controls but the sound isn't really a Leslie-ish tone.
The ones that don't sound like Leslies but have variable speed controls can fool an audience; the G$ and Line 6 are the only ones I've found that fool musicians who have played on stage often with real B3 players. I'm a swirly-sound freak and have had more Leslie, chorus, phaser, flanger, vibrato and trem pedals (some trems sound OK at high speed only) and tried almost every currently-available and discontinued rotary-sound emulator. Side by side with my B3 player holding sustained chords and "massaging" the ramping controls most of the band can't tell which is which with their eyes closed (either the Korg or Line 6 vs B3/145).
It sounds absolutely nothing like a POG or POG2, which have hitchy tracking and far too much of a "cathedral" sound (or like the sound is a half-mile away).
Of course, it's possible any of those might have been used with just the right amp settings and touch - but the G4 and Rotomachine are the only two I've found to both be engineered specifically for Leslie (not chorus) sounds, be easy to use AND have the ramping built-in. Others seem to do either slow or fast speed...but not both...or sound decent at either fast or slow settings, but require manual adjustments to change speeds.
I'm surprised about the Line 6 (which I got not too long ago) since the PodXt just doesn't cut it for that sound.
Whoever the player is in that video, he has the technique flat nailed!
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Larry Behm
From:
Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 20 Jun 2011 10:49 am
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Someone who knows this player, ask him what he used, them we can all go spend the money.
Larry Behm
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'70 D10 Black fatback Emmons PP, Hilton VP, BJS bars, Boss GE-7 for Dobro effect, Zoom MS50G, Stereo Steel amp, Telonics 15” speaker.
Phone: 971-219-8533 |
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Tim Heidner
From:
Groves, TX
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Posted 20 Jun 2011 3:54 pm
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| He's a member here... |
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Steve Norman
From:
Seattle Washington, USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2011 4:09 pm
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the shirt should read
"Its a PEDAL steel guitar B$&%*!!"
not steel pedal, not a lap steel and NOT a keyboard
also I tried the pog with poor results. All I could get where pipe organ sounds, but that was probably my poor skill set. I do hope we figure this out...
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