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Topic: Stock copedent from factory for Sho Bud Super Pro 8 and 6 |
Hal Braun
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Eustis, Florida, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 10:37 pm |
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I have the Sho Bud Super Pro in the shop for its 50K mile tune up  , and want to return it to the "factory" setup.. I have searched high and low, but cannot find out what copedent it came from the factory with.. especially the center LKR lever (connects to 2 bell cranks on the C6 neck)
If anyone has a copy of that set up, I would sure appreciate it! I know a lot of people have variations and have made changes to "make it their own", but if you know how it shipped from Sho Bud.. that would be great.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 15 Jun 2011 11:07 pm
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Don't know about a standard set-up. But I think all stock Super Pro's came with 8 and 6?
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Hal Braun
From:
Eustis, Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 3:19 am
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This is an 8 and 6...
So, what would be the most common "Emmons" set up for an 8 and 6? Or.. to be more specific.. there seems to be a lot of agreement about what to do with 5 knee levers.. the 6th knee lever is a LKR Center that operates two bell cranks on the C6 neck.. the bell cranks look like they align with about the 2,3,4 string and the 7,8,9 string without really crossing up the rods and if my memory serves me at all.. it is a "raise"
What would you typically do with that?
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 6:16 am
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I bought mine at Oxon Hill Music in 1984 (the guitar is a '78--thanks, Gene Haugh!--I was told Buddy Charleton had been using it as his teaching guitar). I changed it a lot (added three knee levers and moved stuff around) right after I bought it, so I can't be entirely certain of the original setup.
Best I can recall, it came with 4 & 8 Bb raises on the center LKR. Or at least the 4 raise; I may have added the one on 8 later. The E9th levers I'm pretty sure of:
LKL: F raises
LKV 6th string G#-F# lower
LKR: 1 & 7 G raises
RKL: D# lowers
RKR: 2 lower to D/C#, 9 lower to C#
I do not for the life of me remember whether the C6th 3rd string B lower was on RKL or RKR, or what the other right knee C6th change was.
Come to think of it, I'm sure I still have the brochure (a couple of typewritten pages) that came with it somewhere, and it had a copedent chart. But the operative word is "somewhere"!  |
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Hal Braun
From:
Eustis, Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 6:52 am
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| Thanks Brint! If you happen to come across it, that would be great. The original owner believes the middle lever raised the second string up a half tone and lowered the sixth a half tone.. but is going to check around as well.. |
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Norman Boling
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Paragould Arkansas, Philadelphia TN USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 6:53 am Original Sho-Bud Copedent
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Theres a Sho-Bud factory original copedents chart for various models on the Carter site. Look under manuals, then open Sho-Bud.
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 7:13 am
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Unfortunately, on the Carter site the chart only covers the Pro-II and Pro-III.
It's possible the center lever was an "upside-down 6th pedal" lever--which is what I think you meant--and the Bb raise was on the right knee.
Even though I added a center vertical for the C6th and tinkered with the C6th changes, I never took to the C6th--still haven't to this day--so I'm pretty hazy on that side of things. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 7:16 am
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| Hal Braun wrote: |
This is an 8 and 6...
So, what would be the most common "Emmons" set up for an 8 and 6? Or.. to be more specific.. there seems to be a lot of agreement about what to do with 5 knee levers.. the 6th knee lever is a LKR Center that operates two bell cranks on the C6 neck.. the bell cranks look like they align with about the 2,3,4 string and the 7,8,9 string without really crossing up the rods and if my memory serves me at all.. it is a "raise"
What would you typically do with that?
Thanks! |
Sounds like it raises 3 and 7, C to C#. That's a very standard change.
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Hal Braun
From:
Eustis, Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 7:19 am
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Thanks Norm.. as far as I can tell though, they only go up to 5 knee levers.. that middle 6th. knee lever is the problem child!
Thanks b0b.. i will send that info to Bill Rudolph at Williams guitar (who is doing the work) and see if he thinks that makes sense.. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 7:36 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| Sounds like it raises 3 and 7, C to C#. That's a very standard change. |
It is now, but not so much back then. Only a couple of players in Winnie Winston's book (1975) or the Convention copedents in Steel Guitarist magazine 1980 have the C# raise on 3, usually not with the 7 raise. I notice that several Sho-Bud players have the 4th string Bb raise on RKL--that may have been factory standard, leaving the center LKR on the Super Pro still a mystery.
On the other hand, my '77 Pro III has the 3rd string B lower on RKL and no C6th linkage on RKR.
Someday I'll find that chart!
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 7:36 am
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The C to C# lever came into vogue when Buddy Emmons started using D instead of G for his 1st string. It gives you the "5th on top" inversion of A6th (with pedal 5) that was lost from the C6th. Of course, there are many other uses for the C# lever... 
Another possibility is that it could raise both A's (strings 4 and 8 ) to Bb. That is also a common change and, now that I think of it, it's more often placed on LKR than C#. Buddy uses his right knee for the C#.
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 7:47 am
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| As I said, my recollection is that the LKR was the Bb raise(s). But I'm pretty sure there was something for C6th on the "other" right knee. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 8:10 am
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| I think you're right, Brint. |
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Hal Braun
From:
Eustis, Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 8:21 am
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| And I thought learning 6 string guitar was hard. HA! |
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 16 Jun 2011 12:09 pm
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The middle knee on the
C6th lowered the fourth
string from A to Ab.
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