I Give Up

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 10 Jan 2011 5:42 pm

Mr D.

You REALLY need to catch Siruis or XM satelite.

It's been a couple years since I listened to anything FM except oldies light rock to keep me interested in guitar hooks.

Most Cable has the Sirius music channels. The Best are for the umpteenth time Roadhouse, Willie's Place, and Outlaw country.

Like MoJo Nixon says on OC. Heck, it gives me such a b0n&r, I gotta pull off the road when it comes on the radio. (Can I say that???)

EJL

Joe Drivdahl · Post by **Joe Drivdahl** » 10 Jan 2011 5:54 pm

Charles: Thanks. Well said.

Stuart: If start referring to tennis shoes in a dryer as music then where is the line between music and noise? Maybe I am wrong but to me music needs three things: rhythm, melody, and a chord structure of some kind. The tennis shoes, as well as Rap, has one of those components. So is it music?

Wild Man: I know. I really should look into Sirius or XM. Something.

Joe

John Lemieux · Post by **John Lemieux** » 10 Jan 2011 6:33 pm

Joe i haven,t listened to am or fm in 4 years.We have Sirius in the house and xm in the truck.No commercials news or annoying comments.Listen to what YOU want 24 hours a day.Not cheap but good on the ears.Dont forget you dial in any of your radios to 88.1 and you get it anywhere in your home.Good luck

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 10 Jan 2011 10:40 pm

Stuart said [Music is anything you can hear] I don't agree,I can hear my wife when she's yelling at me. But come to think about it her screams are much more musical than ANY rap I have heard.

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 11 Jan 2011 6:20 am

Joe,
Music is about what each person likes. Of course, what sells and whats hot has always been a factor. Everybody in the business wants to make money.

Even with Willies Place, you hear the same songs over and over & it starts sounding the same. I Like alittle of everybody, except Sugarland!

I don't think Paisley sounds like Urban singing or playing wise. I prefer Urban anyday, but I appreciate Brad. Carrie , Taylor & Lambert don't sound alike, totally different styles. Shelton, Currington, Bryan, Houser are different.
Plenty of diversity in top 40 today.

Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 11 Jan 2011 7:05 am

If you want diversity on the steel guitar- the SWSGA show in Phoenix next week is the place to be. You'll hear a vastly greater diversity at that show than any other of the steel guitar shows including classical, jazz, sacred steel, and country. I truly appreciate the folks running that show for allowing us to be exposed to alternate genres on the steel guitar.

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 11 Jan 2011 8:13 am

BUT on the rap crap you are one thousand percent right. Don't care who defends it,No musical value there,not even worth wasting breath debating.

Charles,

Why do I feel like the amount of "rap" you've heard is close to zero. Why do people pass judgment on music they know nothing about.

Does it make sense to judge all country music by "acky-breaky heart"?

I sincerely wish people didn't need to condemn something that they know nothing about. The best you can say Charles is you don't know anything about rap but what little you heard, you didn't like.

Trust me, there are many people who feel the same about country music: not musical, not worth debating, crap.

Tom Wolverton · Post by **Tom Wolverton** » 11 Jan 2011 8:42 am

Theresa Galbraith wrote:Joe,
... I Like a little of everybody, except Sugarland!

Ditto you there. J. Nettles' affected voice causes me to break the speed record for how fast I can turn my radio off. : )

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 11 Jan 2011 10:57 am

I sincerely wish people didn't need to condemn something that they know nothing about.

Bill, I know nothing about Christmas fruitcake, but I thoroughly condemn it!

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 11 Jan 2011 11:17 am

Barry,

don't give me that. If you've hung around this site long enough, you have had vast experience with fruitcakes.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 11 Jan 2011 12:23 pm

Bill,I have heard more rap, [TOO MUCH] than you think,have been situations many times over the years that I had to listen to [c]rap. See you are doing what you are accusing me of doing. [Just ASSUMING I have NEVER listened this crap. It has about as much musical value as an old pickup with a flattire going down the road.

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 11 Jan 2011 1:33 pm

Georg,Always liked that clip. At least it's musical.

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 11 Jan 2011 3:09 pm

If you've hung around this site long enough, you have had vast experience with fruitcakes

Ya got me, Bill!

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 11 Jan 2011 3:53 pm

Charles you are right. I heard a band called Big and Rich once and realized ALL country music was crap based on that experience. I mean...all country music is the same right?

Charles, I can't take you seriously when you condemn a genre: so tell me, which hip hop artists have you heard? which CD of theirs didn't you like?

Because you really have to talk about individual artists, not genres of music.

Joe Drivdahl · Post by **Joe Drivdahl** » 11 Jan 2011 4:35 pm

Bill,
You really can't avoid hearing rap if you watch tv or movies. Its always there, way too often in my opinion. So although I would never go out of my way to listen to it on purpose, I can say I have heard some of it. You claim there are different types of rap, I say, no there is one song, one beat, that every rap "musician" uses. The words, unintelligible as they usually are, change. thats it. All else is exactly the same from one rap song to the next with some dip sh*t trying to run a needle through an LP by rubbing it back and forth.

Craziness.

Joe Drivdahl · Post by **Joe Drivdahl** » 11 Jan 2011 4:42 pm

Theresa Galbraith wrote:Joe,
Music is about what each person likes. Of course, what sells and whats hot has always been a factor. Everybody in the business wants to make money.

Even with Willies Place, you hear the same songs over and over & it starts sounding the same. I Like alittle of everybody, except Sugarland!

I don't think Paisley sounds like Urban singing or playing wise. I prefer Urban anyday, but I appreciate Brad. Carrie , Taylor & Lambert don't sound alike, totally different styles. Shelton, Currington, Bryan, Houser are different.
Plenty of diversity in top 40 today.

Theresa,
I wouldn't really consider different voices as diversity. the people you mentioned I like too. Paisley is a better picker than Urban, I think. At least he's faster, but that is part of what I'm talking about. All the lead breaks now are all flash and now feel. Just go like hell and put as many notes in as possible. Wild fiddle licks. No nice double stops, just haul ass as fast as possible. Makes Charlie Daniels look like he's standing still.

I like Billy Currington, his songs are almost country. I don't know who Bryan or Houser are. The names are meaningless to me. I do agree with you about Sugarland, although I do kind of like their "Stuck Like Glue" song for some reason although it can hardly be defined as "country."

I guess there's not accounting for taste, as they say.

Charles Davidson · Post by **Charles Davidson** » 11 Jan 2011 10:45 pm

Bill,Every thing I say is just my opinion,Could'nt care less who takes me serious,A few crap artist[use that term very loosely] I have been exposed to,Eminem,50 Cent,Snoop Dog,Kanye West,Lil Wayne,Jay Z, Just to name a few. In the overall scheme of things why we even talk about this crap is so miniscule who is gonna give a damn a year,twenty years,fifty years from now.Again my opinion rap is not,never has been,and never will be music,Nothing nor anybody will ever make me think different. Got to go right now,something just came up that's a thousand times more important than discussing rap noise,THOMAS KATT just strolled in to let me know it's time for his late night snack.

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 12 Jan 2011 5:02 am

Joe,
We'll have to agree to disagree on this thread. I'll take Keith over Brad, anyday.
Luke Bryan and Randy Houser bring diversity to country music. If you don't listen to top 40 radio, you don't know.
Anyway, I like alittle of everybody except "Sugarland"!

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 12 Jan 2011 5:31 am

You claim there are different types of rap, I say, no there is one song, one beat, that every rap "musician" uses. The words, unintelligible as they usually are, change. thats it. All else is exactly the same from one rap song to the next

Fair enough. That is how most people describe country music: one song, all sounds the same.

Mark Eaton · Post by **Mark Eaton** » 12 Jan 2011 8:18 am

I think maybe the reason is what is this now - about the 944th thread here on the Forum - on today's mainstream country music and how bad it is was hit on the head earlier when Joe wrote that he finds most of his music on AM/FM radio.

Others have suggested satellite - a better alternative, and yes, that gets repetitive.

You shouldn't have to work very hard at finding good quality country music and mix in some bluegrass while you're at it, but the fact is. you do have to work at it.

You're just going to have to bring your own CDs in your truck, or load up an iPod with the stuff. I rarely listen to the radio when I'm on the road, but i always have plenty of good CDs with me.

There's plenty of great, non-commercial sounding country music being made - Dale Watson was mentioned, and there's a lot of alt. country groups toiling away that will never be heard on the "today's hot country - all the hits!" stations that feature the Chesney and Rascal Flatts types.

But this same thread comes back with a different title over and over, because people complain about what they are getting on the AM and FM radio stations.

I think of No Depression magazine. They still have a website, and it's nice to have, but only a fraction of what information was available when the magazine was in print. I found out about so much under-the-radar groups with steel guitar and quality songs from that mag.

But as I wrote above, you have to work at finding the good stuff, it's not going to be dumped in your lap by hitting a button on your car radio.

Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 12 Jan 2011 8:39 am

I use Pandora. It is a web based music station that let's you choose who you want to listen to by creating a station based on a song or artist that you like. Pandora then creates that station using what it calls their "music genome project" and you can further modify their choices based on your approval or disapproval of any of the selected songs. I currently have about 20 stations of different genres and am constantly being exposed to artists that I never would have been exposed to on a typical radio station. I also stream it to my car stereo through my phone and it is a breeze to do with the more modern phones these days- both the iphone and the droid have free apps.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 12 Jan 2011 9:06 am

You don't have to search long to find good music today. So much more out there and it's exciting!

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 12 Jan 2011 9:47 am

I use both XM and Pandora, for different reasons. I like the news channels available on XM, and my GMC Envoy came with it. On my vehicles that don't have XM, I use Pandora and FM (for PBS).

In the broadest, culturally anthropological definition, rap is music. You might not like it, or even detest it to the point of violence against its practitioners, but it's still "music" per se, just as African tribal drumming is music, or Native Americans sitting in a circle hitting drums and chanting is music.

Much of the rap music I've heard is rhythmic poetic recitation over a repetitive urban music track in the background. If this isn't considered music, can "Old Rivers," or "Deck of Cards," or "Little Rosa," or "Phantom 309," or "Teddy Bear," or "your song here" be considered music as well?

Does any of this stuff matter? You either like it or you don't, or you don't even have an opinion. Any of the above, and nothing changes. Get over it.

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 12 Jan 2011 10:03 am

Does any of this stuff matter?

Well, I'd say about 99.99% of most posts I've read on online forums "don't matter". It is a discussion, nothing more or less. Whether rap (or country) are music or not means nothing in the way of the world, but it does provide entertainment value in the form of communication and discussion. Which is the purpose of most discussions here or else where I guess.

but an interesting side note: since my separation 2 years ago, I've done a fair amount of online dating. Without a doubt, the most two despised forms of music on female dating profiles are "rap" and "country" as in: " I love all types of music, except rap and country." So at least they have that in common.