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Topic: 1973 Sho Bud Professional - Brass Tuning Collar Slippage |
Steve Mueller
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Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 2:41 pm |
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| I have a 1973 SB Professional D10. I've noticed some slippage of the brass tuning collars after playing for an hour or so, especially on the #1 & #3 pedals(E9) and 7th pedal(C6). Has anyone else noticed a similar problem? If so what's the fix? This model has the "baskets" that the rods run through, with the tuning collars then attatched to the rods. |
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Jay Yuskaitis
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Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 3:14 pm
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| Experience is the only way, never found a short cut. I know many have been searching for a non mechanical way. Jay Y. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 3:23 pm
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| Maybe some violin rosin on the threads? I haven't had the problem on my baskets and barrels guitars, but this might work. Ask James Morehead. I'll ping him to this thread. |
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 3:52 pm
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1) Never oil the barrels. If they have been oiled, clean out the oil with degreaseing dish soap and do not lube. You need that friction.
2) exchange the offending barrels with others on your guitar that see less "traffic".
3) Sometimes you have no choice, so this can work in a pinch---a very my-nute tiny drop of MILD GRADE locktite on the threads of the male half of the barrel, wipe off any excess. Let dry all night and THEN screw it in to the other half. Screw it in while wet, and you may never move it again. A tiny "micro drop" on a pin is plenty.
These tips have worked for me in the past, perhaps they will work for you, too.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:06 pm
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I do not have use for rosin, so I never have any around, but John has got an excellant idea there. But still make sure the threads are oil-free. 
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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Bob Cox
From:
Buckeye State
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:06 pm
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| those little collars will work and then won,t, this to me is the Ruth Goldburg of parts on a steel .The best deal is to put a bell crank system in it, if you can find someone to do it and use the brass deals for fishing sinkers if they will even work for that. I know altering it will not leave it official but the alternation will be gladly appreciated by who ever plays it. |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:13 pm
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Bob, you must of had a guitar someone thrashed. Or maybe a crossover? 
These rack and barrel 'buds will play as good and be as stable as any other guitar out there. It's all about setup and maintenance, as well as understanding how they work. That's all there is.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:15 pm
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Oh my goodness!!!! No! No! No! These can be made to work wonderfully. They're infinite pull guitars. My personal favorite! Who the heck is Ruth Goldberg? I'm aware of, and enjoy Rube's work. The basket and barrel guitars are a great design. It doesn't take much to understand them, and work on them. I just totally disagree with you! The most desirable ShoBuds are the '73 "barrels behind two hole pullers."
Last edited by John Billings on 29 Dec 2010 4:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:17 pm
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Uhh, you DID mean '73, John? 
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
shobud@windstream.net |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:30 pm
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Rube Goldberg!
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2010 4:31 pm
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Duh! Yes James! I really should wear my glasses when typing!
Edited my post, thanks! |
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Steve Mueller
From:
Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 2:15 pm
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| Thanks for the great info. I'll try cleaning them and adding a little rosin before going the locktite route. If this works my disposition will be considerably brightened. I have some spare parts so I can swtich out the collars if the first attempt doesn't work. |
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Steve Mueller
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Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 2:21 pm
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| James, You also mentioned maintenance - what type of regular maintenance should I be doing to this guitar? What type of lubrication, if any is needed on the works, rollers, etc? |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 2:44 pm
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Steve, Shoot me an email if you get a free moment, and we will get into it more.
shobud@windstream.net
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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Jay Yuskaitis
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 3:34 pm
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| Hopefully my last reply for a while. The Sho Bud rack and barrel was the easiest pedal steel I ever had, as far as tuning and ease of playing, this goes back to my first Sho Bud, a Baldwin Model Crossover D10, in 1970. I guess I should be retired along with the guitars. I AM A SHO BUD LOVER. Keep'em going. Take care, Jay Y. |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 4:19 pm
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Jay, Your comments are very much appreciated. Please keep 'em coming.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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Brian LeBlanc
From:
Falls Church, Virginia, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2010 4:45 pm Baskets?
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I thought rack & barrel was finished pre 73?
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2010 1:50 pm
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| '73 was barrels behind two-hole pullers, I believe. Not sure if it was the whole year though. Things could change very quickly at ShoBud back then. |
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Jon Hyde
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2010 8:29 pm
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| I had a 73 single neck rack and barrel 6139. I'm pretty sure Ricky Davis helped me to identify it as a 73 because the paint on the underside was a light minty green color (same as my 73 LDG) |
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