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Topic: Glue for formica |
Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 27 Nov 2010 7:39 am |
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pat, never heard of any othe rglue than contact cement. It's been used thru the ages for gluing formica on table tops, counter tops etc .So I will say it has proven itself.
Applied correctly, it will hold forever.
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Jerry Jones
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Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 27 Nov 2010 7:56 am
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| I was experimenting with Formica some years ago and obtained some sample HPL (high pressure laminate) glue from Franklin (Tite-Bond). It looks much like regular Tite-Bond wood glue, and the chemist said it was more or less the same product as Tite-Bond II. I’m assuming it would have to be applied in a press. |
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 27 Nov 2010 11:39 am
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| Jerry Jones wrote: |
| I was experimenting with Formica some years ago and obtained some sample HPL (high pressure laminate) glue from Franklin (Tite-Bond). It looks much like regular Tite-Bond wood glue, and the chemist said it was more or less the same product as Tite-Bond II. I’m assuming it would have to be applied in a press. |
I read/heard somewhere that this was the process that Emmons used, don't know for sure if it was this brand of glue tho.
BF
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Robert Murphy
From:
West Virginia
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Posted 27 Nov 2010 7:59 pm
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| I've been assembling countertops for 40 years, 3M spray adhesive will work well and it's easy to use. It will not take heat like contact cement but we don't cook on our guitars or do we? |
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 27 Nov 2010 8:12 pm
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What is the best way to remove a piece of Formica from an aluminum pedal rack?The Formica was put on with contact cement. 
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 5:08 am
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Stu,
A heat gun/high temp hair dryer will do it, start at one corner heat and lift. Lacquer thinner or a like solvent will get the glue residue off. A word of caution, good ventilation, or do it outside when working with any solvent.
Bill
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Don McGregor
From:
Memphis, Tennessee
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 5:25 am
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I've always wondered if contact cement was such a good idea if one is looking to maximize sustain on an instrument. Seems like using what amounts to a thin sheet of rubber to laminate Formica to a hard surface sort of works against the purpose.
On the other hand, a regular wood glue like Titebond gets pretty hard, and might not do well on solid wood, as wood contracts and expands with changes in the weather, and Formica doesn't. May be fine with a good, hard plywood.
I'm curious to see more opinions. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 6:26 am
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| I seem to remember Bobbe Seymour mentioning that formica on the body of a steel guitar has to be installed under pressure to get the the proper tone from the body. |
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Richard Damron
From:
Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)
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Jerry Jones
From:
Franklin, Tenn.
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 7:31 am
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I did find different expansion rates between wood and Formica, but that was over a distance of 13”. A steel guitar deck is more like 5” and may not be a problem. I’ve never built a steel cabinet, but I would guess that slab sawn grain for the decks would be more stable. The upper and lower decks on my steel cabinet are connected with screws and to some degree, can expand and contract independently.
Finishing the underside of the deck is also necessary to minimize any uneven wood movement.
Someone on the forum once suggested that the decks are glued in a press and the aprons are glued with contact cement. |
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Richard Damron
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Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 8:03 am
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Jerry Jones -
I'm not gettin' nit-picky but I can add a little to your post.
First, go to the link that I posted above. A wide range of adhesive types are listed and somewhat evaluated. Good info.
Second, I'd suspect that quarter-sawn - as opposed to slab-sawn - wood would be more stable. Virtually all of the good classic guitars, violins etc., will use quarter-sawn spruce for the tops for strength and stability. The closer the grain lines, the stronger it is.
As an aside - no one has investigated this as it applies to the PSG - the velocity of propagation of acoustic waves and the loss (attenuation, damping) in wood varies greatly with the grain versus across the grain. Does this have an effect upon the "tone" (hate that word) of the instrument? Maybe one of these years someone will do the necessary research.
In any case, the answer to the adhesive question will most likely be found in the link which I've supplied.
Respectfully,
Richard |
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 8:27 am
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Bill Ford,Thanks a bunch!
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Joe Naylor
From:
Avondale, Arizona, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 1:51 pm
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Stu - I agree with Bill Ford except for the outside in Alaska might be a bit much - but other than that he is right on.
Joe Naylor
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 28 Nov 2010 4:12 pm
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Joe,I can do it on my front porch,can handle anything about 5 above just a T-Shirt.
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