Steel V Steel

Franklin · Post by **Franklin** » 20 Nov 2010 2:24 pm

Ben Jones,

Tommy went to the core of the issue and is right on the mark as usual....My guess is that Tommy is one of, if not the most viewed steel guitarist in TV history, so his tonal insights are immeasurable.........The CD's recorded in music centers such as Nashville, LA, and NYC are all mixed to fit radio's preferred compressed levels........Radio and TV is the aim of all the mixes of mass produced recordings......Soon Itunes could catch up.....Paul

Clyde Mattocks · Post by **Clyde Mattocks** » 20 Nov 2010 2:38 pm

Is the black Emmons p/p going to be given a handicap?

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 20 Nov 2010 3:36 pm

Gosh,

Seems to me this 7+page of OPINIONS has come full circle, and we are, once again [as most OPINIATED threads turn out], nowhere.

This has gone on for 7 pages, and I've gleened hardly anything from it. (that at least I wasn't already aware of)

Cutting hairs here, eh?

As Paul said early-on, a lot is left to the HANDS. So that alone, negates any un-biased comparisons.

Thag ya. Thag ya very much.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 20 Nov 2010 5:49 pm

..music is music.....musicians is musicians.....instruments is instruments.....you can quote me!

Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 20 Nov 2010 5:56 pm

Chris -

Joe Casey · Post by **Joe Casey** » 21 Nov 2010 8:58 am

Chris ,Tone is tone even in San Antone.

Bo Legg · Post by **Bo Legg** » 21 Nov 2010 9:01 am

Chris is Chris .....you can quote me!

Danny Bates · Post by **Danny Bates** » 21 Nov 2010 10:53 pm

A jazz guitarist decided to let his friends pick his best sounding guitar. He blindfolded them and played every one of his big expensive archtops. As a joke he reached down and picked up his old cheap Danelectro guitar and as soon as he started playing they all said "Now that's your best sounding guitar!" True story.

+1 to what Paul and Tommy said.

The formica finish is much harder than wood. Drop your bar on it and see for yourself. Harder equals more highs. All of my formica guitars have more highs than my lacquer bodied ones.

Theresa. I agree with what Stuart said. If the steels are to be judged then the judgement has already taken place hasn't it?

Bill Lowe · Post by **Bill Lowe** » 21 Nov 2010 11:11 pm

Are mica guitars with wood necks and Wood guitars with metal necks going to be included? They may have the best tone...

I'm just saying.....

Rusty Rhoads · Post by **Rusty Rhoads** » 22 Nov 2010 2:08 pm

OK here it is in a nut shell the test in end results like i said before when its done for you to decide which guitars are the best sounding out of the bunch of them i will put myth's to rest about mica verse's wood in over all tone period and my veiws have nothing to do with JACKSON STEEL GUITARS OR ANY OTHER MAKER PERIOD ! and i think i will use a tube amp for the test so we get true results and a 5000,00 dollar mic so there is no discretion on the recording the instruments and far as who's paying for this !

Yours truly Rusty Rhoads is paying for the venture !
so take a seat and wait for the video when its done i will post it here were 2 get the video.......

Thanks for all the input if any one wants a stock guitar in this video please send me email if your close to or in nashville and what to participate with your guitar must be stock no mods.

PS would you take a 1960s martin D28 and put formica on it ? wonder what tone it would have then ? any one want to try that and get back to me ?

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 22 Nov 2010 2:27 pm

RR, I'm as big a fan as ANYBODY of wood bodied guitars (that's all I play), but the D-28 comparison is not valid. You're dealing with thin wood plates, not slabs of maple like on a steel.
But since you went there, I have an all carbon fiber acoustic guitar made by Composite Acoustics, that sounds INCREDIBLE. It's actually thinner than the spruce in my 1950 D-18, and is not far off tonally. In fact, in the studio I have to tape the top up to kill the over-resonant frequencies.

Rusty Rhoads · Post by **Rusty Rhoads** » 22 Nov 2010 2:35 pm

Scott love yah man but its a point i am making what would happen if u put mica on a D28 same thing happens when you put mica on a steel you lost some tone range's then you have to make it back up with aluminum necks and tuning keys and some other methods is my point about mica verse's a non mica guitar .
that about it for what i am trying to explain there.

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 22 Nov 2010 2:42 pm

So, let me get this straight, what you are saying then is that aluminum adds highs and formica kills them, and everything else is over-compensation and ultimately just peeing up a rope?
I knew there was something I hated about those stupid, stupid old Bigsbys, lol.

Rusty Rhoads · Post by **Rusty Rhoads** » 22 Nov 2010 3:40 pm

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

Ben Jones · Post by **Ben Jones** » 22 Nov 2010 3:52 pm

nor any other kind of science.

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 22 Nov 2010 5:53 pm

Neither is spellcheck.

Tony Glassman · Post by **Tony Glassman** » 22 Nov 2010 7:48 pm

Rusty Rhoads wrote:OK here it is in a nut shell the test in end results like i said before when its done for you to decide which guitars are the best sounding out of the bunch of them i will put myth's to rest about mica verse's wood in over all tone period and my veiws have nothing to do with JACKSON STEEL GUITARS OR ANY OTHER MAKER PERIOD ! and i think i will use a tube amp for the test so we get true results and a 5000,00 dollar mic so there is no discretion on the recording the instruments and far as who's paying for this !

Yours truly Rusty Rhoads is paying for the venture !
so take a seat and wait for the video when its done i will post it here were 2 get the video.......

Thanks for all the input if any one wants a stock guitar in this video please send me email if your close to or in nashville and what to participate with your guitar must be stock no mods.

PS would you take a 1960s martin D28 and put formica on it ? wonder what tone it would have then ? any one want to try that and get back to me ?

Rusty,

No offense intended, but it sounds as if your mind is already made up.....mica covered guitars are inferior.

Barry Hyman · Post by **Barry Hyman** » 22 Nov 2010 8:18 pm

Well I choked my way through three pages of this nonsense and I do have to say this is the stupidest thread I ever wasted my time trying to read. Rusty, whatever you may think of him, had a fairly reasonable idea, not that it would "prove" anything or be all that spectacularly valuable, but you all seem to like to argue and BS more than you like to practice psg. The idea that you would compare the tone of different pedal steels by changing the amp setting for each one is REALLY the dumbest thing I ever heard.

I used to think that pedal steel players had to be the smartest people in the world but I have since cured myself of that delusion...

Stu Schulman · Post by **Stu Schulman** » 22 Nov 2010 9:07 pm

Barry Hyman wrote: but you all seem to like to argue and BS more than you like to practice psg.

Hey Barry I hope that you're not including me in that comment,because you know nothing about me!

Joe Casey · Post by **Joe Casey** » 22 Nov 2010 9:14 pm

Hey if it was easy anyone could do it...

Rusty Rhoads · Post by **Rusty Rhoads** » 23 Nov 2010 1:38 am

And no my mind is not made up weather mica guitars are better for tone then a non mica guitar and yes there is more BS on here then positive input all i see is stupid AZZ remarks about me ! some of you are real jerk offs and some are pretty cool even funny at time's but FFS some of your really need to go back to grade school because you have not left it to be be here with the BIG BOYS some of you know who you are by your post .

I think some of you just post BS to be heard and not add any value to the forum at all no wonder EMMONS or even Tommy White does not post much on here afraid if he speaks his mind people will be offended by it!

most like me and my attitude the people who do not oh well it is not my loss keep running me down its free publicity for me !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think your hurting my reputation keep trying is all i can say

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 23 Nov 2010 4:08 am

I've always believed in the blind taste test, especially when all the coffee or soda was the same in the cups !

I guess I would ask..

what happens when two of the exact same guitars sound different in the test ? Because they can and probably will !

So if we are going to line up the Steels, they all need brand new strings and brand X strings...you know, that brand with the car name...or maybe the brand with the snake name...

Bill Lowe · Post by **Bill Lowe** » 23 Nov 2010 5:23 am

Where is the neutral starting point. How can you say use the same strings, amp, amp settings even player. Some guitars sound beter with different stings or amps, etc. How would it be an acurate test if your starting point is with things that dont compliment the guitar being used. What works on one guitar will not work on all. (I think)

Robby Springfield · Post by **Robby Springfield** » 23 Nov 2010 5:35 am

Rusty, enough is enough! I suggest that you set you and your steel up in front of one of those mirrors that make multiple images out of one image. You’ll have the kind of audience that you like that way. You have got the worst case of I, ME, My that I’ve heard in a long time.

There is never a man so deceived as one who deceives himself!

Edited for spelling

John Lemieux · Post by **John Lemieux** » 23 Nov 2010 5:49 am

Robby Springfield wrote:Rusty, enough is enough! I suggest that you set you and your steel up in front of one of those mirrors that make multiple images out of one image. You’ll have the kind of audience that you like that way. You have got the worst case of I, ME, My that I’ve heard in a long time.

The is never a man so deceived as one who deceives himself!

Amen to that!!!!!