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Bent Romnes
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Posted 17 Jan 2010 7:08 pm |
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Long shot I know but it's fun to try.
This would be mainly for you older steel players.
In 1971 I had my first trip to Nashville. I met with Mary Reeves and told her I would love to see a record being made. She sent me to a studio where they did the work on Jim's many unreleased recordings.
I think the name of the studio was MCR - or Music City Recorders.
The name of the singer was Shorty Bacon. He recorded a song entitled Ten Times the World.
The steel player on the session played a blond S10 ShoBud with fingertip tuning as best I remember.
Who was the steel player?
I have no idea if "my" Shorty was this Shorty...
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=147245&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Bent Romnes
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Mitch Drumm
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Jack Harper
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Mississippi, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 6:23 am
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i was watching "the last of the breed" dvd this am and on the behind the scenes interviews, ray benson was talking withprice, nelson & haggard about the path from yesterday 'til today in their careers and willie referred to a tour with price as a cherokee cowboy as a "shorty bacon tour" has nothing to do with the question, but, what are the odds?
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 7:36 am
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Mitch, why would that post necessarily be wrong? That song never did go places and it would be highly unlikely that Shorty would have cut a B song twice?
Would it have been unlikely that Mooney was playing a ShoBud at that time?
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Mitch Drumm
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 4:15 pm
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Bent:
I have no idea if Ralph Mooney ever played a Sho-Bud.
I have no idea if that post is right or wrong.
Would you have expected to recognize Ralph Mooney on sight in 1971?
I can think of more than one instance where a singer cut a song more than once and all versions failed commercially. I have no idea if that is true of Shorty Bacon in this case.
On the one hand: maybe you saw Ralph Mooney.
On the other hand: I find it a little strange that Ralph, based on the West Coast as far as I know, would travel to Nashville to cut a session with the likes of Shorty Bacon.
However, the Shorty Bacon who cut the song in question is almost certainly the same Shorty Bacon mentioned in the thread you referred to--an LA-based artist.
So it may be that Mooney was in fact a member of Bacon's own band, however briefly, and did in fact travel to Nashville.
I would have guessed Bacon would generally record in SoCal (why bother with Nashville). But if you saw Bacon cut the song in Nashville, I'll certainly accept that.
Have you heard the record?? Ralph has such a style that if it were NOT him, it would probably be obvious. Being a SoCal guy, I'd guess Bacon would cut the song in a SoCal honky tonk style--which typically means at least vaguely in Mooney style. |
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 7:01 pm
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Thanks Mitch.
No I have never heard the record. Only time I heard the song was when Shorty recorded it.
No, I wouldn't have known Mooney to see him at that time.
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John Clark
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 7:02 pm
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| THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RALPH MOONEY QUESTION BUT SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER SHORTY'S CUT ON A SONG CALLED "STAND UP FOOL" RELEASED ABOUT 70 OR 71. HIS BAND WAS NAMED "THE SCRAMBLED EGGS." I THINK HE MAY BE FROM THE HOUSTON AREA BECAUSE HIS BROTHER ED BACON WORKED OUT OF HOUSTON IN THE EARLY 70'S. THAT SONG "STAND UP FOOL" WAS A BIG HIT IN TEXAS HONKY TONKS IN THE EARLY 70'S. I WISH I HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME I PLAYED IT. |
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Keith Junot
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 7:34 pm Shorty Bacon
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I recall Shorty Bacon playing the Houston circuit in the early 70's , the tune that i remember him having @ the time was Stand up Fool , pure Honky-Tonk
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Jason Odd
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 8:29 pm
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Keith and John, Shorty Bacon & The Scrambled Eggs were indeed Texan based, a Shorty Bacon recorded for the Texas based Stoneway Records around '72, which cut a lot of session in Nashville.
Shorty Bacon & The Scrambled Eggs had a 45 "Stand Up Fool" on Chart Records, around 1970.
I always wondered if the Chart record was cut by the Shorty Bacon from the west coast.. who kind of dissapeared from the LA scene in the late 60s.. so it fits.
Ralph Mooney moved to Texas in the late 60s. In November of 1970 he joined Waylon Jennings, and remained Texas based.
Can't see why he couldn't do a Nashville session, might be a few gigs or something else on the way.
Or like Mitch noted, he could have been a Scrambled Egg for a spell. |
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John Clark
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 5:31 am
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| KEITH I WENT TO WORK FOR MOE IN 82 PLAYING FIDDLE. I'M STILL IN HIS GROUP--28 YRS. HE PUT ME ON STEEL IN 88 OR 89. DID YOU SEE US PLAY SOMEWHERE? |
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Joe Casey
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 6:22 am
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| I remember Shorty doing "Stand up fool" around 63-64 on his set of the Cals Corral show from the old HPB..Seems I have an album of someone else doing the song somewhere..I think Smiley Roberts has the Shorty single.The man has a gazillion record collection. |
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Jason Odd
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 8:25 pm
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I guess Shorty saved a few of his favourite songs for his career in the late 60s and early 70s..
If anyone here talks to Mooney on a regular basis, could they possibly ask him about these sessions and Shorty in Texas?
cheers
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Bobby Bowman
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 9:02 pm Scrambled Eggs
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I was with Shorty off and on in the late '60's to early '70's. Cut a lot of records with him here in Houston. Very few of them got any real airplay,,,but we sold a lot of them from the band stand.
As best as I can remember, we cut "Stand Up Fool" here at Ray Dogget's studio or maybe Doyle Jones' studio. I do believe he went to Nashville and recut it there.
We even recorded an instrumental called
Scrambled Eggs.
As I remember, Shorty went into the carpet laying business here in Houston.
I havn't seen, heard from or talked to Shorty in a lot of years (probably about 30 years). I don't even if he's still here or even if he's still alive.
Cold Brown Bottle was recorded by Walt Jr and the Country Division Band (I think that was the name of his band) and was written by and actually sung by Joe Eddie Golff on the record, but Walt Jr got the credit on the record lable.
BB
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b0b
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Posted 5 Oct 2010 8:35 am
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I received a handwritten letter from Shorty Bacon's daughter, Debbie. Shorty passed away in 1998, and in 2000 his wife suffered a house fire and lost all of her pictures of him. Debbie is looking for pictures of her father and will gladly pay for copies, postage, etc.
Please contact me if you have any pictures of Shorty Bacon, and I'll send you Debbie's contact information.
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George Duncan Sypert
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Posted 5 Oct 2010 10:35 am Shorty Bacon
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Shirley Bacon,widow of Bill Bacon (Shorty's Brother) lives here in Colorado Springs or did last time I talked to her. As far as I know all of the Bacon brothers are passed on. Bill lived here in Colorado Springs since some time in the 70's, having moved here from California I think. He played around here for a long time. I will check and see if Shirley might have any pictures of Shorty and have her contact Debbie or b0b.
I am pretty sure the Bacon brothers performed in Temple Texas at the Pioneer club in the late 50's or early 60's. Bobby you might know more about that.
George
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 5 Oct 2010 12:42 pm
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Neat to see this thread revived!
As I grow older, my memory grows older as well 
My initial post was about Shorty and a song of his "Ten Times the World" I am not sure now if it was 1971 or 1977 that I saw him record this tune.
Can someone help me arrive at the correct year?
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Bob Lawrence
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Bob Lawrence
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Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 5 Oct 2010 3:48 pm
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| itsgreatshakes.blogspot.comitsgreatshakes.blogspot.com wrote: |
Shorty Bacon and His Rhythm Rascals - "Speakin of Angels" (Ozark) I assumed Ozark must be out of Missouri,
though the RCS site lists it as a California label. It also has "Speakin of Angels" as a 1960 release.
The song is country and western based, stylistically a bit like the recently departed Buck Owens and
his band. It's taken at mid-tempo, with piano, guitar, bass and drums. Indeed the guitar and piano
get an instrumental break. Shorty Bacon proves to be an excellent country crooner, delivering a very
engaging vocal. This is just the type of country music that I enjoy.
Too bad that it's totally lost on today's "fan".
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bill dearmore
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Belton,Tx.,USA
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Posted 5 Oct 2010 6:31 pm
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| Yup, Shorty played a lot in the Temple Tx. area in the mid to late 60's. I remember playing double bands with him at the Rainbow Lounge in "66" when I was with Mark Scott-Dicky Treadway & the Western Kings. I saw one of his daughters 10-15 years ago in Temple....That's the last I've seen or heard from any of the Bacons. God Bless you Shorty wherever you are!!! Bill Dearmore |
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Jerry Hayes
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Posted 7 Oct 2010 6:56 am
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I first met Shorty in the early sixties when I first got out of the Army. At that time he had a steel player who had the name "Bo Pete" on the front of his steel. Does anyone remember him and/or what his full name was. Also besides his brother Bill (who I thought was the better singer) and his "lowlife" brother Ed, Shorty had a sister named Opalene or Opelene (not sure of the spelling) who played piano at George's Roundup with Buddy Cagle and others.....JH in Va.
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Larry Petree
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Posted 7 Oct 2010 7:32 am Bo Pete
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| Jerry, that player was in Bakersfield several times, through the years, and his name was Bobby Peters. His son, who still lives here, came into Trout's a while back and told me Bob had passed in 2004. He was a great player, and had worked with several groups, even Johnny Paycheck. He also was a good mechanic, and had a shop in East Bakersfield for many years. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Oct 2010 12:16 pm
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Jerry, Larry, What kind of guitar did Bob Peters play?
Who knows, it could have been him that I saw playing steel on the recording of "Ten Times the World" back in the 70's.
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Jerry Hayes
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Posted 8 Oct 2010 1:13 pm
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Bent, that was a long time ago but it was probably a Fender 1000........JH in Va.
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 8 Oct 2010 2:25 pm
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Jerry, I am quite positive it was not a Fender. It had brownish stained wood and I seem to remember it had the screw heads sticking out behind the changer, just like on a Sho-Bud Fingertip.
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