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David Beckner
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Posted 8 Jun 2010 8:46 am |
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First let me say that no disrespect is meant for anyone...I would like to say that it would be nice of those who post lessons on you tube to consider making tab sheets available to those who have sloooow internet connections....Personally I think Mickey Adams among others are doing a fantastic job keeping new players like myself informed....Kudos to you all...But it is so frustrating when it takes FOREVER to download a 5 minute bit of info...Hardly seems worthwhile...Again I mean no disrespect but bit of tab now and then would really be a great gesture.....
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Mickey Adams
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Posted 8 Jun 2010 9:18 am Tab
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David, I read your post. Just yesterday, I recieved a phone call from a gentleman in Bayou country in LA...He has this very problem.....I know that Dick Sexton has tabbed some of my videos...I will make an effort to make more tab available in the future...Mick
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2010 6:22 pm Thanks
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Thank You for the consideration Mickey.....Again I mean no disrespect --- just venting frustration...
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Dick Sexton
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Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 8 Jun 2010 7:20 pm Mickey's Tabs
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Mickey, Thank you for the plug. I will put up my efforts of what I have done here. Let me know if I should not.
https://cid-594320d13092d8fb.office.live.com/browse.aspx/Mickey%20Adams%20Tabs?uc=3
David, these are probably not mistake free, but with them and Mickey's youtubes, I suspect you might be busy for a while. I haven't done any of Mickey's videos in a long time, studying other things myself has taken a great deal of time. I hope this is a help.
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 2:40 am
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The thing about TAB is that it takes a very long time and attention to get it right with no mistakes. When I was active with programs, writing the TAB part was the always the part I hated most, a time hog, no fun. Then putting it into a user friendly format for distribution added yet another element.
Players such as Mickey are attempting to blanket as many folks as possible with his gift and he is doing a great service, I suspect he is also trying to maintain the element of fun and time as well. Balance.
We are fortunate that other players like Dick are willing to spend even more time to carry the torch farther, but do keep in mind the amount of time that is spent to do this. Dick's work is intense , a real labor of passion/love , just as Mickey's is.
Jeff Newman made a life long career teaching and producing programs with accurate tab to get an idea of the time element.
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Jeff Agnew
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 3:09 am
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With no disrespect meant to David or others -- if your problem is a slow Internet connection, then rather than complaining to the folks who are making instructional material available for free, consider complaining to your Internet service provider about the speed. Or pay for a broadband connection. There are very few places left in the US without access to at least minimal broadband speeds at a very reasonable price. For example, satellite connections are available anywhere in the country and are especially useful in rural areas not wired for cable/fiber/ADSL, etc.
Also, it's possible the problem isn't in your Internet connection, but rather in your computer's lack of horsepower or RAM. Playing videos is notoriously RAM-intensive and YouTube is known for being hard to view at times. One trick is to start the video, stop it, then wait for it to load completely (seen via the progress bar at the bottom of the player). Then you can play it back without interruption.
You can also find software tools to let you download YouTube videos to your computer so you can view them running off your hard drive, rather than over a slow 'net connection. It would still take some time but you could set up several for download and go do something else while waiting. Videos should play back smoothly when run from your computer unless it's underpowered.
I understand your frustration but it seems like maybe more effort on your part would help prevent more work on the part of those providing, again, a free service. |
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Kenny Martin
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Chapin, S.C. USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 4:58 am
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Amen Jeff!
Mickey Adams is the best at instructional youtube clips!
I have stole a many of his runs and turned them into my own!
Sorry that some have problems down loading but rather than having a tab i enjoy the string, pedal and fret conversation Mickey does!
I have over 2000 emails in the past 3 months asking me to do more clips on speed picking, even though most kick my butt over it!
It's not easy to play it fast then try to explain it note for note slow! Trust me, i've tried and i fall way short of what Mickey does!
Mickey has a book that covers most of what he does so i say buy the damn thing and don't worry about down loads!
Like someone said, teh clips are free so why complain!
I personally thank Mickey Adams for all he does and i learn from him even though i have played over 30 years! Great job Mickey!
km
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Mickey Adams
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Bandera Texas
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 7:17 am
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Many valid arguments here...I agree with all of you...Tab for me is like a sedative...My mind works faster musically than it does using graphic input from paper...Not to mention my eyesight isnt quite a sharp as it used to be.. 
As for my book...Its not filled with tabbed Youtube videos...and quite a few people shied away from it because of that..We all learn at different paces...
My time is quite valuable to me of course..I spend hours each day, running my own exercises, and I am making great progress again...I have just passed another plateau, and each successive one seems to generate a much higher retention capacity..I am also working on Book II...And i have to tell you...Its going to be more complex than the first.
..I will post an example on you Tube this evening called "The Reversing Diatonic Exercise"...Y'all can feeback me!...Thanks to all of you...Mick
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 7:24 am
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Now you tell me your eyesight isn't what it used to be!
I knew something wasn't right when you got in the backseat in the 182 and said "all right let's get going".
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 8:42 am
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Mickey ..once again Thanks for your consideration..
Dick..As always you are a great asset to this forum..You have helped me and others immensely
Tony...You have helped in a huge way also..I understand tab takes alot of work ..I wasnt trying to say do a whole tab..just maybe a direction to work from..(if that makes sense)
Jeff Agnew. and Kenny .....I wasnt looking for a flame job..I do not have access to any other internet as many other people do not as well..I also operate a business so therefore it is not feasable for me to keep my phone line tied up for hours on end....ALSO I was not complaining nor was I trying to show any disrespect to any particular person..
Mickey ....Sorry I wasnt aiming this at you ....Keep up the good work...Your old pal Jim Lindsey is just a phone call away and he has helped me with some of your contributions.. 
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Mickey Adams
From:
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 10:24 am None taken
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No offense taken David...Quite the contrary...Input that is directed at me generally turns into something constructive.... 
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 5:17 pm
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If i do any searching on U-tube, i have to clean my cookies out every day as it slows down my computer.
Older computers cant keep up with the new speed also.
Video's use a lot of space.
Facebook searching also does a bit of plugging up, just a thought men..
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Allan Jirik
From:
Wichita Falls TX
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Posted 9 Jun 2010 8:41 pm
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| I have the free YouTube downloader. Very easy to use, I download what I want to learn and view the videos at my convenience. I agree, those fellows who are graciously providing free tips and lessons shouldn't be saddled with providing tab too- you can easily see what fret they're on and in most cases what strings they're picking as they verbally explain it. If I miss something I come up with a substitution, that's an important part of the learning process also. |
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Jeff Agnew
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Dallas, TX
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 3:53 am
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David,
My comments were not a "flame job", which is a personal attack, but rather an opinion. Your initial post said that you wanted folks who post on YouTube to create tab because you have a slow Internet connection, correct? Now if what you meant to say is that you prefer tab as a means of learning, that's a different discussion and I misinterpreted your comment.
But the speed of your Internet connection is completely within your control. I was trying to give you some help to discover why your connection was not handling video well. There are lots of reasons why YouTube may not work well on your computer. I'd be happy to help you troubleshoot that problem via e-mail if you wish.
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Yes, you do. I gave you one example and there are many others available. If you're not able or willing to pay for them, I understand. But, again, that's a different discussion and it's not the reason you gave.
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| I also operate a business so therefore it is not feasable for me to keep my phone line tied up for hours on end. |
I'm guessing you mean you operate a business from your home. That's not a problem at all. Unless you are using dial-up, which is not suitable for downloading video at all, your phone line would not be tied up. Nothing blocks out your phone line except a modem. |
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Rick Kornacker
From:
Dixon Springs, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 6:51 am hold on a minute!
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What I'm about to say may ruffle some feathers but here goes anyway. I've been seeing a growing number of comments such as the author of this thread has posted.Things have sure changed over the last thirty years. Back then one had few sources for learning material...but the serious students were more than happy to take advantage of what was available...and more than willing to pay a fair price for it. Today there is more than ample material out there on tab, DVD, and especially YouTube contributors.I really don't have a problem with those that contribute freely to the cause...but I am somewhat disturbed by the growing number of forumites that have come to expect all this free of charge. Not enough to have a YouTube video for no cost..but to expect tab for all of it too? Maybe the instructor should visit the students house and coach him on just how to do it all perfectly. Actually.. leaving a certain amount of the task to the learner has its benefits. Look at a lot of the youngsters learning to play 6-string guitars and the technology available to help them learn. Many end up on shows such as SNL, have all the hardware...but can't play! They weren't exposed enough to the musical part of the equation. Sometimes the things that you have to figure out and learn on your own are most helpful.I offer this opinion in good faith and the interest of promoting steel guitar into the future. There are many on this Forum, a great resource in itself, that know me and what I do. I sincerely hope that some of the newer players can and will take this notion to heart. As always, respectfully submitted, RK
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 8:26 am
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| Before I got a satelite access( which still isn't fast enough to immediately watch Youtube) i would go to the public library with a USB thumb drive with "YouTube Downloader" installed and down load directly to the drive..I could bring it home and watch it repeatedly! I still download any video I want to watch with this..http://www.youtubedownloaderhd.com/ JS |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 10:27 am
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I have a slow internet connection[soon to change] I usually start a download and leave the house for a few hours and when I get home it's done.There was a time when I learned a few things from tab it would take me an hour to get thru a few measures not the sharpest brain here,These days I can hear a recording and usually know what's going on before I sit down at my guitar to double check.Man I wish that Mickey Adams was doing his lessons when I was starting off...which would have been impossible because I'm older than Mickey,I still download Mickey's lessons because he's such a great teacher and his love for the steel guitar is second to none. 
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 10:30 am
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John,Thanks for the "Youtube Down Loader"Didn't know about that.
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William Litaker
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Kannapolis, North Carolina, USA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 10:37 am
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I for sure agree with bob and Rick Kornaker,,,
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Dave Burr
From:
League City, TX
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 2:11 pm
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As a friend recently told me... "There's only so much a man can do for free... then he starts chargin'..."
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 2:37 pm
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Jeff.. Maybe I took what you said the wrong way and for that I offer my apologies...I live in a small rural town outside the county line(actually between 2 county lines)..I call this Cariier Pigeon country..I have spoken with numerous phone and internet companies only to find out that what I have is all I can get...Sorry about it but thats just the way it is..
Rick...I am not one of those people who has my handes out expecting something for nothing..I wouldnt mind at all to pay a small fee for anyones assistance...But here is where I draw the line..There are people out there who want to charge a complete outragous price for material...For example I saw an ad while back somewhere(not the forum) where A certain person will tab any song for you (guitar)for the price of $35.00 a song..This guy has completely lost all good sense...and so has any one who is fool enough to pay it..
I read an article on this forum about those who use tab as a 'starting point' and as a base for their own improv...I ask if it had been considered to do this...Mickey Adams responded to this saying that he had recieved a phone call from some one who had asked about this same issue....I applaud him for his efforts and consideration...In my opinion a lot more people should consider the consideration instead of trying to see how rich you can get from beginners...Personally I see this as one of the causes the music industry gives people such a bad taste in the mouth..the enjoyment of playing and helping others has turned into the all mighty dollar...-- sickening but true..
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NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 4:24 pm
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I just spoke via telephone from some one in another state who has been watching this thread who is experiencing the same problems...After an in depth conversation we think we may have a solution...Since most of the contributers record their 'session'.Why not put a few of these on a dvd and make them available 'at a fair price' to those interested..Dvd's are only a few bucks and shipping isnt that high...I'm not talking a full 2 hour Jeff Newman type course or anything like that-- merely 3 or 4 contributions on a disk for $10 bucks or so....Might be surprised at the response....Again just an idea..
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WALKER SEAT
NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
http://www.dbupholstery.yolasite.com |
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 10 Jun 2010 4:59 pm
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| I saw an ad while back somewhere(not the forum) where A certain person will tab any song for you (guitar)for the price of $35.00 a song..This guy has completely lost all good sense...and so has any one who is fool enough to pay it. |
Gee, custom tab of a whole song for $35 doesn't sound at all bad to me. You have to put this into perpective. Creating tab for a song -- even one I already know how to play -- checking it for accuracy, and making it presentable for sale can take several hours. Now imagine a song I haven't already figured out how to play, and you ask me to tab that one. I may be able to do it, but it'll probably take a bit longer. Let's say it takes, 6 hours total. At $35, that's earning a bit less than $6 an hour to do a custom job for you that I may never sell another copy of to anyone else. (Now, if I had a guaranteed market of 10, 20, 30 or more buyers lined up, that would be a different matter, but not for a custom one-off job.)
The other thing to remember for perspective is that a single one-hour lesson with most teachers (at least around here) will run you $30-40/hour. For the same money, you're getting a roadmap of how to play an entire tune note for note that you can practice for weeks.
Sorry if this is somewhat off-topic but, as someone who does produce and sell tab and rhythm tracks, I just felt I needed to respond to that. It's all about the volume and for a custom job, the volume may never exceed "1". I like to think that my time and expertise is worth more than $6/hour, don't you?
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Mickey Adams
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