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Topic: Sho Bud body "coming apart"?? |
Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 9 Feb 2010 3:06 am |
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The old 6140 I just bought has an issue with the body that some may have seen.
The front apron and top of the guitar have separated ever so slightly near the changer side endplate.
You can't stick anything in the seam, but you can feel the seam about 1/3 the way of the length of the guitar with a fingernail, but then it closes up and can no longer be felt.
Actually there is no real "crack".. Its the top of the guitar protruding ever so slightly above the apron. Its not flush..
Right by the Sho Bud sticker, where the top and apron join.
I seem to recall seeing this before, but really am not that sure.. It looks fine, but I know its there. Any worries? any easy "fixes" without taking the guitar apart? bob
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Jason Hull
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Posted 9 Feb 2010 5:52 am
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James Morehead
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Posted 9 Feb 2010 8:23 am
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Welcome to the world of roundfront shobuds. Some seperate, some don't. Just play it and don't worry about it. It will be something to definately look for on your next shobud purchase. Your guitar has been doing the seperation for years--it's a very subtle and gradual thing. It didn't just do that overnite. If you want to fix it, "right", there are two approahes I know of. You will need to disassemble the guitar to a bare cabinet, and do a gradual clamp and dampen regimant over about 2 months, to reverse the wood's "memory" that has developed. If you get too aggressive, you can split your joint-thus the gradual approach.
If you want a quicker fix, take it to a cabinet maker, let him disassemble the cabinet and plane it true and put a little more reinforcement in the joint's that are now failing. Expect to have to refinish the guitar. So, again, just play it and forget about it. |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 9 Feb 2010 2:35 pm
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| James Morehead wrote: |
Welcome to the world of roundfront shobuds. Some seperate, some don't. Just play it and don't worry about it. It will be something to definately look for on your next shobud purchase. Your guitar has been doing the seperation for years--it's a very subtle and gradual thing. It didn't just do that overnite. If you want to fix it, "right", there are two approahes I know of. You will need to disassemble the guitar to a bare cabinet, and do a gradual clamp and dampen regimant over about 2 months, to reverse the wood's "memory" that has developed. If you get too aggressive, you can split your joint-thus the gradual approach.
If you want a quicker fix, take it to a cabinet maker, let him disassemble the cabinet and plane it true and put a little more reinforcement in the joint's that are now failing. Expect to have to refinish the guitar. So, again, just play it and forget about it. |
Yep. thats about what I figured.. Its seems stable, so I doubt it will give me any problems... You can't even really see it.. Just feel it. There is really nothing on the apron to cause tension stress. Everything seems supported more or less by the "main" part of the body.
If it gets worse ,which I doubt, I'll part it out and throw the body in the wood stove.
bob
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 9 Feb 2010 2:39 pm
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Or you could just run a small bead of epoxy down the crack and let it set, it will fill the space. Wipe off the excess, of course.
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 9 Feb 2010 3:10 pm
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| Bob, if I had that guitar and was concerned with the joint coming loose I would set up a support on a drill press so the guitar could be supported for drilling. I would drill a hole (or two)up thru the bottom edge of the front apron into the top deck stopping just before going thru the top deck. Then put some glue in the holes and slowly drive a dowel into the hole allowing time for the glue to be forced into the crack by the hydraulic force of the dowel on the glue. I would drive the dowel completely until it bottoms out then clamp the joint until the glue dries, cut off the dowel flush with the bottom edge of the cabinet. Maybe repeat about an inch or two from the first dowel. |
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Bill Myrick
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Pea Ridge, Ar. (deceased)
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 3:59 am
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Spoken like a true Body and Fender and Cabinet Maker man --  |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 11:31 am
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Bob,
It sounds as if your guitar is an early one. No rack return springs would probably make it a late 67 or 68. At that time, ShoBud hooked up with Baldwin, and demand for guitars went through the roof. Quality control sometimes suffered. Your guitar may have been that way from the factory. I'd examine the split, or whatever you wanna call it, with a magnifying glass, paying special attention to the finish. That may tell you a lot. |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 3:03 pm
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| Excellent fix/advise Jerry. That would absolutely stabilize that situation without seeing it from the top. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 3:58 pm
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Kevin,
Jerry's advice is excellent, if there is indeed a crack. But Bob said,
"Actually there is no real "crack".. Its the top of the guitar protruding ever so slightly above the apron. Its not flush.. "
That's why I'd get out the magnifying glass and examine it closely. If there's no crack in the lacquer, it probably came from the factory that way, and no repair may be required. They may have made 50 bodies, put them on a rack to await spraying, and the front apron might have shrunk a bit. Or it just may not have been assembled perfectly to begin with. I've seen much worse than what Bob is describing. I think a really close look is necessary before surgery is performed!
That said, Jerry's advice is a great way to stabilize a crack. I can't even begin to count how many times I've used dowels and glue to repair antique furniture. |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 5:20 pm
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| I agree with you John. Close inspection with a magnifying glass would reveal the detail of the split. |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 6:15 pm
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| Kevin Hatton wrote: |
| I agree with you John. Close inspection with a magnifying glass would reveal the detail of the split. |
The apron and top are separated at the seam, but you can"t even stick a sheet of newsprint in it. Really just a finish crack.. Seams as though the front apron may have shrunk a bit... Doesn't look like a big deal really... bob
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Dennis Wallis
From:
Arkansas
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Posted 11 Feb 2010 7:58 pm
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I;ve got one that went thru a tornado and is still intact . Tell me they didn't build them tough back then .  |
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 12 Feb 2010 9:40 am
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Sorry, I should have read more carefully. If the joint is not loose then it's just a cosmetic problem best forgotten.
Jerry |
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Feb 2010 5:02 pm
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Hey Bob, Sounds like you don't have much more than a cosmetic problem--typical roundfront shobud. Now if it gets to looking like this, well, maybe you want to get a little more concerned. Ah-Ha!! 
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