9th and 6th chords

Tim Davidson · From: Glasgow, UK

Hi There,

What are the best ways to get 9th and 6th chords/ flavours on the e9 neck - particularly for ending songs?

I've got a few songs to do that are more western swing than straight country and i'd like to better reflect the lead player's jazzier doodlings...

Thanks

Tim
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CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

here are 2 voicings for the 9th in E Tim

fret 0 ----strings (9) 8 6 5 2 w: D lever1/2 1
fret 5 ----strings 10A 8E 7 6B 5A

Tim Davidson · From: Glasgow, UK

Many Thanks Crowbear - the first looks good but i don't have an e lever for my 8th string to make your second suggestion....

keep em coming!

Tim
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Billy Murdoch · From: Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.

Tim,
I am very surprised to see that You have a GFI with four knee levers and do not lower the E's.
One way to look at the sixth sound is to play minor chord relative to the signature key as long as the bass player is playing the root note.
For example play an A minor when You are in the key of C.
Good luck.
Billy
P.S. I live in Summerston Glasgow

Bob Hoffnar · From: Austin, Tx

Pick up a Swing on E9 coarse from Herb Steiner.

http://herbsteinermusic.com/

Also do a search in the tab section of the forum. There is plenty of C6 on E9 stuff in there.

Bob
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Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

If you can lower your 9th string D to C# a good substitution for the normal pedals down positions such as a C at the third fret is to lower the 9th string and play strings 4, 5 and 9. You'll have the first chord in "Nightlife".......JH in Va.
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Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

For 9th chords, I use the A & B pedals along with the knee lever that lowers the E string a 1/2 tone.

For a 6th chord, I usually substitute a minor chord.
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Tim Davidson · From: Glasgow, UK

Billy - i can lower my Es on the eighth and fouth string - but i thought CrowBear's suggestion was using an 'e lever' which i took to be a different change from the standard 'd lever' and 'f lever' which is how i've got used to referring to the e's raised and lowered on strings 8 and 4 - if that makes sense? thanks for making me look again, Billy - i'm in the west end btw.

Apologies then, Crowbear i can make your second suggestion! So it's a and b pedals and string 8 lowered... Right i'll go and experiment

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions

Tim
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CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

common knee lever denominations that i use Tim
( even though other steelers & courses use different ones )

E : lowers Es to Eb on 4 & 8
F : raises Es to F on 4 & 8
D : lowers Eb to D on 2 & D to C# on 9
G : raises F# to G or G# on 1 & 7
( G : lowers G# to F# on 6 ? )
V : lowers Bs to Bb on 5 & 10

richard burton · From: Britain

I'm getting a faux 6th sound by lowering the 4th and 8th strings in this video of a steel jam that I played at.
I'm the number 4 player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYOZWOfPGG4

Shaun Swanson · From: Wisconsin, USA

For a 9th, move the bar back two frets from a 1st position major cord and hit your A pedal. The third and root will be missing but someone else in the band will cover them.
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Herb Steiner · From: Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064

The most important note in the chord is the 3rd tone, because it determines whether the chord is major sounding or minor sounding. Next is the 7th tone, which determines whether or not the chord is major or dominant.

For a 6th chord, implied as a major, the relative minor would work nicely. Making the chord a VIm7 would complete a full tonic 6th (1, 3, 5, 6)

E.g.
C6 = C E G A
Am = A C E
Am7 = A C E G

If the VIm7 is used as a minor, it sounds "dominant," but used as a 6th chord, it sounds "major."

Your asking about a 9th chord, to me, implies a dominant (b7) chord. If you're contemplating an ending chord, and it's not a blues, you'll most likely want a major sounding chord, i.e. not with a flatted 7th tone. So in that situation, you'd most likely prefer either a Major 9th (1, 3, 5, 7, 9) or an "Add 9" (1, 3, 5, 9)

For a major 7th chord, either the actual M7 or the IIIm chord is a good substitution. Making the IIIm a IIIm7 would sub for a IM9

E.g.
CM7 = C E G B
Em = E G B
CM9 = C E G B D
Em7 = E G B D
C add 9 = C E G D

Another rather easily obtained ending chord is the 6/9, which contains, obviously, the 6th and 9th tones of the scale. Most easily accomplished with pedal C. Observe:

E6/9 = E G# B C# F#

There are other ways of getting a 6/9, maybe with more preferable voicing, depending on the song, but this is the easiest.

In these situations, the 5th tone is the most disposable note, next is the root; the bass should be covering these notes. What steel players should concentrate on are the "color tones."
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Sonny Jenkins · From: Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx

Actually,,,the guitar open is a 9th,,,E9. A and B pedal down is a 6th (A 6th open),,or,,Es lowered 1/2 step is B6 open,,,?????,,,No?????

Brint Hannay · From: Maryland, USA

For 6th chords, strings 8-7-6-5 0r 7-6-5-4 with either: A & B pedals, or: 4 & 8 lowers only.

Example: E6th
7th fret w/ A & B pedals
5th fret w/ 4 & 8 lowers

These voicings don't have the root on the bottom, but they are full 6th chords and the bass will most likely take care of the low root.

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