Finishing a Trojan
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Finishing a Trojan
Hi ya'll!
I am new to these parts, sort of fell into it by accident you might say when my sister brought an old resonator guitar out to me a couple of years ago. I knew it had been passed around in the family at least back to the 1960's when I frist saw it. The poor old thing had been refinished blond (poorly) back then and has been ignored and abused for decades, so badly that the case was even mildewed.
I had a look at it when she brought it out and didn't know what to do with it. The neck needed to be reset, it needed refinishing, the brass and nickel was scratched and corroded, and the rosewood fingerboard had numerous cracks as well as small checks in body from years of damp/dry cycles.
I had trouble running down the model thinking it was made in the 1950's but eventually identified it as a National Trojan built in 1934. Hum, it is even older than I am so maybe it deserves some TLC.
Having built or restored various instruments over the years, I decided to save the old Trojan. The resonator cover is off for silver plating and the tuning machines for gold plating. Meanwhile I removed the neck, stripped all the old finish, re-set the neck (my first time and it came out great ) coloured with aniline dyes, and coated with nitrocellulose lacquer.
Rather than give it a like-new finish, I chose to try to keep "the vintage look" - what do ya'll think? Does that look okay or should I re-do it to like-new? (Factory photo on the left, refinished middle and right.)
Thanks for your thoughts!
I am new to these parts, sort of fell into it by accident you might say when my sister brought an old resonator guitar out to me a couple of years ago. I knew it had been passed around in the family at least back to the 1960's when I frist saw it. The poor old thing had been refinished blond (poorly) back then and has been ignored and abused for decades, so badly that the case was even mildewed.
I had a look at it when she brought it out and didn't know what to do with it. The neck needed to be reset, it needed refinishing, the brass and nickel was scratched and corroded, and the rosewood fingerboard had numerous cracks as well as small checks in body from years of damp/dry cycles.
I had trouble running down the model thinking it was made in the 1950's but eventually identified it as a National Trojan built in 1934. Hum, it is even older than I am so maybe it deserves some TLC.
Having built or restored various instruments over the years, I decided to save the old Trojan. The resonator cover is off for silver plating and the tuning machines for gold plating. Meanwhile I removed the neck, stripped all the old finish, re-set the neck (my first time and it came out great ) coloured with aniline dyes, and coated with nitrocellulose lacquer.
Rather than give it a like-new finish, I chose to try to keep "the vintage look" - what do ya'll think? Does that look okay or should I re-do it to like-new? (Factory photo on the left, refinished middle and right.)
Thanks for your thoughts!
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Stan: Does it show? I was trying to hide that! (being a character) LOL!
I will post pictures when it is done.
Oh Mike, this one DID have the original finish removed sometime in the 1960's. The finish you see (middle & right) is my re-creation or simulation of what I thought it should look like at 75 year old. It was stripped to bare wood to remove the blond stain and urethane clear coat, an ugly job that took the strongest stripper I have used on an instrument!
It's collector's value was only listed as "D" if it hadn't been refinished the first time but it's real value to me is as a family heirloom - it was bought by my grandmother for one of my uncles (all deceased now). As part of the restoration, I am going to put a label inside outlining the history of the instrument, it's owners, and it's repair history.
Since I am going to all this work, I guess I had better learn to play the darned thing
I will post pictures when it is done.
Oh Mike, this one DID have the original finish removed sometime in the 1960's. The finish you see (middle & right) is my re-creation or simulation of what I thought it should look like at 75 year old. It was stripped to bare wood to remove the blond stain and urethane clear coat, an ugly job that took the strongest stripper I have used on an instrument!
It's collector's value was only listed as "D" if it hadn't been refinished the first time but it's real value to me is as a family heirloom - it was bought by my grandmother for one of my uncles (all deceased now). As part of the restoration, I am going to put a label inside outlining the history of the instrument, it's owners, and it's repair history.
Since I am going to all this work, I guess I had better learn to play the darned thing
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Yes, and you will enjoy learning. I must say this is a new way to send a Trojan to everyone's computer.Dianne Best wrote: Since I am going to all this work, I guess I had better learn to play the darned thing
If you need some help setting it up let me know.
Welcome to the forum Dianne.
Dennis
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Oh Mike, this one DID have the original finish removed sometime in the 1960's.
Yeah I know, and you did a great job. I was just adding my adding my usual 'save the vintage' commentary.
I have a 1930 El Trovador that was in a similar condition to yours. Cracked neck, body damage etc. Fortunately the finish, while poor, was still 90% there although the neck had to have some work done after the fix.
Yeah I know, and you did a great job. I was just adding my adding my usual 'save the vintage' commentary.
I have a 1930 El Trovador that was in a similar condition to yours. Cracked neck, body damage etc. Fortunately the finish, while poor, was still 90% there although the neck had to have some work done after the fix.
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Ha! wait until you break a string and don't have a spare set handy. It'll cost you big timeDianne Best wrote:I didn't recognize the name Dennis NOW I know who you are (and will ignore you appropriately LOL!)Dennis Saydak wrote:I must say this is a new way to send a Trojan to everyone's computer.
(He's practically a neighbour.)
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