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Sherman Willden


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Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2009 9:09 am    
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When is something like a F7th chord in the key of C used? Do we ever slide from the C7th to a F7th to a G7th or back the other way?

Thanks in advance;

Sherman
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Roger Rettig


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Naples, FL
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2009 9:12 am    
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F is, as you say, the '4' chord when playing in the key of C major. Making it an F7 (4/7th) is simply a way of colouring the chord, commonly to give the change a bluesier connotation. It can also be an F9th, or even a 13th - at its root, it remains, essentially, a '4' chord.
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Brett Lanier

 

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Hermitage, TN
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2009 10:40 am    
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Try playing along with Haggard's Workingman's blues. You can play d7(key of A) just about any time on the 4 chord, but especially on the hits in the chorus. Smile
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Jeff Valentine


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Colorado Springs, USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2009 9:11 pm    
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If you're playing a 12 bar blues in the key of C, your F chord is dominant. In my experience the IV chord in blues is almost always a dominant 7th chord unless you're playing Bird blues. That 7th on the F7 chord is an Eb, which is a pretty important bluesy note in the key of C. You can also think of playing a C minor triad over the F7 chord. That's another way to look at it.

-Jeff
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Jeff Valentine


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Colorado Springs, USA
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2009 9:13 pm    
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Hi Sherman. You're from the Springs?? I guess it's a small world. Nice weather we're having......

-Jeff
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Ken Pippus


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Langford, BC, Canada
Post  Posted 8 Dec 2009 10:08 pm    
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I might reply after I get my dog unfrozen from the hydrant.

KP
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Sonny Jenkins


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Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
Post  Posted 9 Dec 2009 6:48 am    
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Jeff, I believe you meant the F chord in the key of C would be "sub-dominant",,,,the G7 would be dominant. In blues playing,,,all the chords can and are commonly "colored" by the added 7th and 9th,,,the bluesy sound,,
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Erv Niehaus


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Litchfield, MN, USA
Post  Posted 9 Dec 2009 8:05 am    
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The F7th chord is closely related to the A diminished chord, repeated every 3 frets up and down the fretboard.
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Jeff Valentine


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Colorado Springs, USA
Post  Posted 9 Dec 2009 6:48 pm    
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Sonny,

Yes, I see what you're talking about. G7 is the dominant chord in the key of C. I always refer to any chord with a 7, 9, 11 or 13 as dominant. The F7 chord is technically a Bb major scale, and is the dominant in that key.

-Jeff
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