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Topic: CMA Awards..Made me a liar.... |
Bobby Rountree
From: San Angelo, Texas, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 6:16 am
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Well...I watched the "Country Music Association Awards" last nite....Now I find I have been lying for years. I have been saying I loved and played Country Music....And after watching the whole show to give it a fair shot...I find that I do not even LIKE country music.I don't know what I have liked and played over 60 years......but it sure is not what I heard last night....So I guess I do not love COUNTRY MUSIC after all !!! _________________ Sho-Bud LDG....NV1000
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 6:53 am
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Guess my pants are on fire, too. |
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Bill Dobkins
From: Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 9:49 am
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Bobby, Thanks for being brave enough to come on here and make that statement. We need more of the pro's doing the same. I know their afraid of their job's but if somthing isn't done soon the only place you'll hear a steel is the steel show's.
Thanks BD _________________ Custom Rittenberry SD10
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 9:54 am
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CMA = Country My Ass. I don't even watch it anymore. It's not my kind of music. I like traditional country. _________________ -πππ- (admin) - Robert P. Lee - Recordings - Breathe - D6th - Video |
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Bobby Rountree
From: San Angelo, Texas, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 10:24 am
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What b0b said !!....Except I don't think it should have to be classified as traditional, modern or anything else.....Just Country.
This is not to put down anyone's music....Just don't Hi-jack the title."Country Music" and attach it to something that isn't. I fail to see the difference... if I said I was playing ZZ Tops when I played "Farewell Party"....and I would never do that !!!! _________________ Sho-Bud LDG....NV1000
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Joey Ace
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 10:45 am I don't watch any awards shows. Not even the Academy Awards
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Progress is like a bus. (It might not even be a nice bus.)
You can climb aboard and see where it takes you,
You can stand in front of it and try to stop it (not advised),
or
You can watch it pass by, and be content with where you are. |
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Ron Sodos
From: San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 11:05 am Can't call it progress
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All it is is the big record lables corrupting the music to make money. I call it garbage. |
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Cal Sharp
From: the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 11:07 am
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What really sucks about "country music" these day is that it didn't evolve to its present form, like blues, jazz and rock have. Rather, it's a whole different genre.
Since the early 20th century country artists have taken what came before them and refined and polished it. The Carter Family begat Jimmy Rogers who begat Ernest Tubb who begat Lefty who begat Price who begat Haggard who begat Alan Jackson...
You can listen to today's jazz or blues and still hear the influences of Bird and Robert Johnson, and every rock artist owes a debt to Bill Haley and Chuck Berry. But the CMA Awards presented music that has no palpable connection with what most of us consider country, and I guess it's a quite marketing achievement that a certain targeted demographic buys into this charade and calls it country. _________________ C#
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Cal Sharp
From: the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 11:16 am
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if I said I was playing ZZ Tops when I played "Farewell Party"....and I would never do that !!!! |
You can see ZZ Top doing "Waltz Across Texas" on YouTube.  _________________ C#
Me: Steel Guitar Madness
Latest ebook: Steel Guitar Insanity
Custom Made Covers for Steel Guitars & Amps at Sharp Covers Nashville |
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Bobby Rountree
From: San Angelo, Texas, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 11:21 am
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Uh Ohh.....anything said here is gonna' be wrong !  _________________ Sho-Bud LDG....NV1000
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Brad Bechtel
From: San Francisco, CA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 11:50 am
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Cal Sharp wrote: |
What really sucks about "country music" these day is that it didn't evolve to its present form, like blues, jazz and rock have. Rather, it's a whole different genre. |
Really? When did it magically turn into its present form then? I hear a distinct evolution personally.
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Since the early 20th century country artists have taken what came before them and refined and polished it. The Carter Family begat Jimmy Rogers who begat Ernest Tubb who begat Lefty who begat Price who begat Haggard who begat Alan Jackson... |
...you're leaving out an entire set of branches of country music in your family tree. What about Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, Alabama, John Hartford, Bill Monroe, Buck Owens, etc.? There are lots of influences on today's country music that don't match what you consider to be the early 20th century artists.
Country music has always been a business, selling product to consumers. Those consumers have changed along with the product they're buying. Nobody is forcing them to buy either Taylor Swift or Miss Leslie (to use two examples).
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You can listen to today's jazz or blues and still hear the influences of Bird and Robert Johnson, and every rock artist owes a debt to Bill Haley and Chuck Berry. But the CMA Awards presented music that has no palpable connection with what most of us consider country, and I guess it's a quite marketing achievement that a certain targeted demographic buys into this charade and calls it country. |
You must be listening to different jazz and blues than I am, and certainly different rock. To say that Death Cab for Cutie owes a debt to Bill Haley is pushing your analogy a bit. To say that Kenny G is influenced by Bird? _________________ Bradβs Page of Steel
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chris ivey
From: california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 12:39 pm
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i found myself questioning the whole genre also. george strait and vince gill came through with their true hearts despite the positions they were put into, but pretty much everything else was a pretentious uncomfortable embarrassment...does the sugarland chick really get that emotional pushing her crappy voice? do we really need a sped up version of devil went down to georgia by an unattractive, nothing-special band. i was not impressed by all the old double chinned fat biker sidemen or the young bouncing tennis shoed mohawked band members. i felt sorry for the few talents there who had to put up with this in order to keep their careers alive...like brad paisley and vince who can actually sing, write and outpick most people.
did reba get a boob job? i used to love her but have lost the country/soul connect. martina knows she is walking on thin ice.
i liked little jimmy dickens and billy gibbons...at least they are true to their game.
i could go on...let me catch my breath. |
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chris ivey
From: california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 12:47 pm
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ok, i'm back. too bad carrie doesn't have the strength to tell her producer/controller/creator that she doesn't need to be a trashy britney spears for people to accept her. to everyone: dump the backup dancers! i expected better from jaime j. also. ...and flush kid rock before it stinks up the place!!
so much for the Children's Music Awards !! |
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Rick Campbell
From: Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 2:01 pm
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Cal is right. It's not an evolution. When Ray Price brought drums on the Opry and someone put pedals on a steel guitar, that was evolution. This is nothing more than bringing the same old worn out pop/rock music from two decades ago (and adding some corny lyrics about tractors and balogney sandwiches, etc...) and using it to replace country in order to take over an already established listening group and venues.
Let em have at it. It's not us that the record companies are interest in. It's the people that are an easy sell and like all kinds of music and will go along with the flow. There's a steady stream of fresh money behind those ears that are willing to accept whatever they throw at them.
It's too late. It's over for traditional country as long as it's mixed up with this. They've kindnapped the name "Country" and raped it, and it will never be the same.
Here's a suggestion. We give them a quit claim deed to "country" and we continue to play our music and call it something with a completely new name. Something like "reality music". Not new country, not old, traditional, classic, etc..... a new name altogether and we write new material under those guidelines. We can't win by trying to play in the same field and them, so let's take our sound and seperate ourselves from the rest. |
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chris ivey
From: california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 2:10 pm
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right on, rick! |
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Billy Tonnesen
From: R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 2:35 pm
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I still say: Move the Grand Ole Opry to Branson, Mo. Have Check Poits at each end of town to keep out the "New Country" and have a Branson Country Music Awards show for Entertainers and Song Writers showing real talent and substainability.
I always heard Bob Wills brought the first drums to the Opry but they made the drummer play behind the Curtain where he couldn't be seen. |
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Randy Beavers
From: Lebanon,TN 37090
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 4:29 pm
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chris ivey
From: california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 4:48 pm
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far out! i love you, george.
carrie and taylor (and others more so) find another name for your music!
rap...find another name other than music!!...like perhaps an 'alternative' to music..and go away and park in your handicapped parking space at your prison that i pay for.
and how could anyone even compare lady antebellum or whatever (stupid name for a stupid group) to the eagles who are incredibly talented legendary musicians. |
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Bill Dobkins
From: Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 5:02 pm
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We are never going to change this new country. But as I have said before there is room for both. What upsets me is they have shoved the real country sound to the side in favor of this new bubble gum country.
Its all about money and not the art. I'm sure Randy B can attest to the fact that there is a lot of good country songs out there that would sound better with a steel and fiddle than with a screaming guitar played by a fruit looking dude with spiked hair.
I'm not a big fan of Taylor's but the young kids like her. I would rather my grandkids listen to her than some of this Rap crap or head banger stuff. There is still money to be made in good country.
I can't beleave that these young kids have more money than us older lover's of real country music.
So why are'nt the Pete Fisher's of the world trying to satisfy us.
BD _________________ Custom Rittenberry SD10
Boss Katana 100 Amp
Positive Grid Spark amp
BJS Bars
Z~Legend Pro,Custom Tele
Honor our Vet's.
Now pass the gravy. |
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Jody Sanders
From: Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 5:21 pm
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As I have said before, it is all about money. Jody. |
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Darwin Lindahl
From: Iowa, USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 5:56 pm
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The one ray of hope on the show for me was Jamey Jonson. I love that guy and am a big fan of Cowboy too. The steel gets the respect it deserves in his mix too. Just unfortunate they had to have Kidd Rock there. If you will notice he got a great response so that is encouraging. I just saw Jamey this last summer at a fair. Decent sized crowd and EVERYONE knew every word to every song and was singing too. |
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John Coffman
From: Wharton,Texas USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 6:05 pm
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I did not watch nor will I. It is sad that has come to this. I like all types of music but I like to choose the type. From the blue yodeler to Alan Jackson I love the music. Over the past 5 years I have stopped listening to any top 40 radio. Adding southern rock, rap, rock, and other overtones to the country format has left a rip in my Country music. If it does not have a fiddle, steel and a country beat it just can not be called country. MTCW _________________ ShowPro SD10, Mullens RP, Bose S1 Pro, GK MB200, MB500, Bugera T50 Tube amp with SlidgeRig, TC HOF reverb effect. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 6:25 pm
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I'm not going to engage in any long heated battle of words with anyone. I'm just going to speak my mind and get out.
I've always considered myself open minded, love to try new things, accept many influences but....
I probably shouldn't post but, what the hell. I watched the thing like a moth drawn to a flame. It was horrific. Like the Hindenburg explosion or a 10 car pile up on the freeway...I wanted to look away, but I couldn't.
If we had one of those emoticons here, shaking your head slowly from side to side in disgust and disbelief, that's what I would post.
Only token lip service paid to the pioneers' and legends' groundbreaking endeavors.
As I watched, I had this hopeless sinking feeling like I had lost my best friend. I believe, for many of us, our time has passed. It's all about the spectacle and the choreography. Records are chosen for their video value, not musical content. Doesn't anybody just sing anymore?
This is not evolution. Oh, it's change all right. It is near total abandonment of established values.
I thought Barbara M. and George S. looked totally out of place in that setting.
Some bright spots. Mention of Veteran's Day and a salute to them. I enjoyed George's corny "Twang" song for Mike Dailey if nothing else. Cowboy Eddie Long with Jamey...[and that Waylon/Jones song was kinda cute, but that Kid Rock wasn't].
I thought all the steel players sounded great. Go guys! I just don't think this music is much of a showcase for exploiting the steel guitar. At least it's still being used.... quite a lot actually.
I have had arguments with some of you trying to defend the current status, but I must concede that you were right and you saw the doomed handwriting on the wall way before I could accept it.
Martina throws mic stands, Taylor throws chairs and body slams her guitar. This is the current state of the industry.
You have teens and preteens singalongs with adolescent songs about puppy love.
The entertainers are just pursuing their goals. I don't blame them one bit. They may not know anything other than the garbage the industry force feeds them.
Any industry has to turn a profit to stay in business, I know that. I just think this one is putting out an inferior and mislabeled product.
Cal and Rick made many comments that I can agree with. Grumpy old men? Maybe so. I can take that Chris. I know you were stating somewhat tongue in cheek. We have a right to speak our minds too. But it's just not this old grouch that sees the problem. I hear it from young people too.
One of the awards presenters made this statement:
"This award show totally rocks". I think that about sums it up for me.
ok, back to my hole |
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Lee Baucum
From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 6:31 pm
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I don't understand why folks watch these awards shows every year and then complain about them. Did they actually expect them to be better this year? I stopped watching quite a few years ago. No sense in getting worked up over something I have no control over and can't change.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."....Albert Einstein, (attributed) |
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Jerry Overstreet
From: Louisville Ky
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Posted 12 Nov 2009 6:35 pm
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We watch because we love music, hope springs eternal and we're hungry for even the few crumbs that might be cast before us....and it's our right to complain if we feel like it. |
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