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Topic: Vertical Knee Lever... |
Tommy Gibbons
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Posted 16 Oct 2009 7:45 pm |
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What is the basic setup/use of the VKL? I am progressing with my E-9 playing, would adding the VKL be beneficial? Why? Have an example?
I would really appreciate your input!
Thanks, Tommy |
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 16 Oct 2009 8:04 pm
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The most common LKV setup is lowering the B's to Bb. If this is split with the A pedal, you can get a minor chord with A+B+LKV. There's a lot of other uses for this change. It's useful, but not at all necessary.
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 6:39 am
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Another setup for the vertical lever is to raise the E's to F#.
This change virtually eliminates the need for the C pedal. |
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 6:58 am
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yet other lower the G#'s to G and keep the B-to-Bb-lower on LKR while moving the E's up and down on the right knee.
I am currently tinkering with lowering the middle F# to F.
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 9:46 am
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JD, that's a common change on the E9/B6 Universal...
Another good change for a vertical knee lever is to raise both F#'s to G.
I have my vertical lever just lowering my 5th string B to Bb and not the 10th string. I lower that on my LKL along with raising my 2nd string C# to D#...JH in Va.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 11:13 am
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| Jerry Hayes wrote: |
Another good change for a vertical knee lever is to raise both F#'s to G. |
In my opinion, this is the best change for a vertical because you rarely or never use it without also using the B pedal, and it's easier to use the vertical if you are depressing one or more pedals because you have some leverage.
I think the B to Bb change has many more uses than simply changing the pedals down A chord to an A minor.
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 1:54 pm
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| Mike Perlowin wrote: |
I think the B to Bb change has many more uses than simply changing the pedals down A chord to an A minor. |
The only uses I've ever found for it are the minor chord, the "Together Again" thing (which I do with a bar slant anyway, since I don't have the B to Bb change), and maybe a diminished chord if it's used with the F# to G change, but it's easier to go back a fret and use the E to F lever.
What other uses does it have?
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 2:32 pm
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I get a nice inversion of a II/7th chord in the open position...no pedals. 
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 3:04 pm
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| Ryan Barwin wrote: |
| Mike Perlowin wrote: |
I think the B to Bb change has many more uses than simply changing the pedals down A chord to an A minor. |
The only uses I've ever found for it are the minor chord, the "Together Again" thing (which I do with a bar slant anyway, since I don't have the B to Bb change), and maybe a diminished chord if it's used with the F# to G change, but it's easier to go back a fret and use the E to F lever.
What other uses does it have? |
If gives you a minor 9th chord (or a passing tone between scale degrees 3 and 2) when you activate the E to Eb lever, and an open 5th between strings 4 and 5 when you use it in combination with the E to F lever. (You get a really nice little lick If you do this, and then move the bar back 2 frets, keep the E to F lever engaged and release the B to Bb lever and step on the A pedal. One string moves up while the other moves down.) It also gives you a major 7th on a minor chord if it's used with the A pedal.
I have used this change in all these situations. I also used it to hit the off note on Maria (ma-RI-a,) and on the songs "Something's Coming" and "Cool" on my West Side Story CD.
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David Hartley
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Posted 18 Oct 2009 6:45 am Hi Tommy
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Please let me know what the rest of your set-up is. Then i can make a suggestion for you.
Many regards from David Hartley. |
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