ZB Custom

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 24 Sep 2009 5:02 pm

One more.

Stan Schober · Post by **Stan Schober** » 24 Sep 2009 8:44 pm

Not a very good pic of the "something else"

from what I'm seeing, it looks as if the E9 neck has been converted to a ShoBud rack and Barrel system

Russ Wever · Post by **Russ Wever** » 24 Sep 2009 9:29 pm

from what I'm seeing, it looks
as if the E9 neck has been converted
to a ShoBud rack and Barrel system

How did you determine that?
I haven't noticed any pics
of the underside posted yet.
ZB has always used hex socket-head
adjustments on the outside of the
window-less endplate like this one.
Thnx,
~Russ

Stan Schober · Post by **Stan Schober** » 24 Sep 2009 9:39 pm

Russ Wever wrote:
from what I'm seeing, it looks
as if the E9 neck has been converted
to a ShoBud rack and Barrel system
How did you determine that?
I haven't noticed any pics
of the underside posted yet.
ZB has always used hex socket-head
adjustments on the outside of the
window-less endplate like this one.
Thnx,
~Russ

Oh, i'm just jumping to conclusions, Russ !
THe Hex sockets on the e9 neck look like rack and Barrel rods -to me- ( those rods have never been used with any other system, have they ?), However, that could just be that I am half blind, and it is NOT a very good pic.
At any rate, they look completely different than the ones on the C6 neck -to me.-
Kevin and CUrt are being very coy about what is different, I'm just having fun.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 24 Sep 2009 9:54 pm

I've been hearing about this guitar for a long time. It's nice to finally see some pictures of it.

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 24 Sep 2009 10:38 pm

I'm not being coy. I am waiting for Curt to resend me the underside shot in JPEG format.

Bobby Burns · Post by **Bobby Burns** » 25 Sep 2009 6:37 am

Kevin, of course I was kidding about a lot of what I said in my other post. However, I am a little disturbed as to why anyone would do this. It's like Elvis without the pork chops and the rest of the hair-doo! It's like a '61 Chrysler Imperial Crown, without the tailfins!
I also would indeed give $380 for it.
I will wait to see the underside pictures before revision of my offer.

Curt Jarvis · Post by **Curt Jarvis** » 25 Sep 2009 7:22 am

Hi guys, It’s great to hear your comments, Thank you Kevin for putting the pictures up, my computer with Vista on it and a very slow dial-up is making sending pics tuff, never know what will get through. I will get a couple more pictures up. I do not know anything about the changer. This guitar is a little piece of history that someone with the interest and time might enjoy. The case is very old and not original to the guitar (comes with some story of it sitting on the Grand Old Opry for years), not in very good shape. The Auction will end Oct 6th when I get home from work and log on to the Forum, highest bid at that time wins. All the money goes to the Forum you pay shipping. Thanks guys

admin · Post by **b0b** » 25 Sep 2009 9:14 am

I'll offer a money-back guarantee, minus the shipping charges. If you end up buying this guitar and aren't satisfied with it after playing it for a week, send it to me and I'll refund your purchase price.

I don't really want the guitar, but I want whoever gets it to be happy with it. I could resell it if need be, I'm sure.

Stan Schober · Post by **Stan Schober** » 25 Sep 2009 9:42 am

That's a h3llofadeal there, b0b.
I's just funnin' with Kevin about being secretive.
Perhaps no one has truly identified the E9 changer mystery.
This is all for a good cause anyway.

(What I'd -really- like to hear is the story of the dispute between Carter and Curt

)

admin · Post by **b0b** » 25 Sep 2009 10:06 am

That story will not be told on the forum.

Stan Schober · Post by **Stan Schober** » 25 Sep 2009 10:29 am

I didn't think so.

Duncan Hodge · Post by **Duncan Hodge** » 25 Sep 2009 11:42 am

I remember when this one came up for sale about five years ago. At least, I think I remember what I thought I had remembered...but anyway, somewhere in the Buy and Sell archives there should be some pictures of this steel. If I can remember correctly (please disregard anything after I mumble the previous phrase), Greg Jones commented on this ZB (Please silence me Greg, if I'm wrong) and, while not necessarily giving it "two thumbs up", did not trash it either.
DISCLAIMER!!! If I happen to be totally wrong about this ZB previously being for sale on the SGF please feel free to chime in with some sort of comment like, "Duncan doesn't know what he is talking about", or "Duncan, please get back on your medication". I promise I won't get nasty and make you post about me in the Forum Feedback section.
Duncan

Ben Elder · Post by **Ben Elder** » 25 Sep 2009 4:35 pm

Aesthetics aside, I'd bet someone was having trouble finding a case to fit this in its pre-op longhorn existence--i.e., between the Tom Brumley short-body era and the ascendancy of Hatton Custom Cases. Those classic ~36" ZBs don't fit into much of anything else but their own OHCs. (I may have discovered a period alternative, but the mail and FedEx ground have to do their magic before I can determine my success.)

Still, it is a bit like cutting the headstock off a '51 Nocaster to invent the Steinberger...

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 25 Sep 2009 5:25 pm

More pics.

Bobby Burns · Post by **Bobby Burns** » 25 Sep 2009 5:40 pm

Boy, a close up of that E9 changer would be nice. Also, what is up with the a pedal crossrod?

Stan Schober · Post by **Stan Schober** » 25 Sep 2009 6:33 pm

Well, my guess was way off.

I suck at this game.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 26 Sep 2009 7:30 am

What's the copedent?

B. Greg Jones · Post by **B. Greg Jones** » 26 Sep 2009 9:23 am

The E9th changer is correct. Its missing the lower return springs and has been painted black. With a bit of work, this would be a good playing and excellent sounding guitar. Zane built ZB's are hard to come by and they sound great.

Greg

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 26 Sep 2009 9:33 am

It really doesn't matter Bob. This guitar has got to be disassembled and put back together properly. ZB's are what I call a semi permanent guitar. The pulls have to be set up one at a time, and they have to be done in order. Going in and trying to fix individual pulls without removing pulls next to them is nearly impossible. On a guitar like this you will find that the whole guitar is out of whack. The pulls have to be stabilized and balanced. That whole guitar has to be re set up, including some new parts. Once the whole guitar is set up properly they play fine. If I was getting this guitar I would do a total restore including refinish. The guitar hasn't been cut, just the keyheads, and they can be replaced with new ones. This is an early ZB (wrong label). There are not many of these left. I'll bet there is gorgeous wood under that paint.

Stan Schober · Post by **Stan Schober** » 26 Sep 2009 9:48 am

Greg and Kevin, thank you for clearing up a lot of questions.

Bobby Burns · Post by **Bobby Burns** » 26 Sep 2009 6:00 pm

Kevin, do you know what the apparatus is that is in place of the A peddle cross bar?
Also, can who ever actually has the guitar measure the length of the total guitar, including the endplates?

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 26 Sep 2009 7:31 pm

All of the E9th is wrong. A cluster F. You have to email Curt Jarvis for the merasurement. This guitar was NOT cut.

Curt Jarvis · Post by **Curt Jarvis** » 28 Sep 2009 7:07 am

I agree with Kevin, this guitar needs to be redone if it’s ever going to be played in public. That’s what I would like to see happen. The Guitar does have A and B pedals in the Jimmie Day position that work, a D lever on the LKL and E on the RKR lever that raises the 4th but does not raise the 7th. The Guitar is 34 inches long. I HOPE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE . If you made a bid that you don’t want to stand behind you need to say so NOW. I will assume that there is enough info out there to make an accurate evaluation. BOB made a great offer so know what you are bidding on so we don’t waste his time. Guys thanks for sharing the knowledge.

Harry Hatterer Jr · Post by **Harry Hatterer Jr** » 28 Sep 2009 7:53 am

I have serial #1086 That Zane built for me in Scranton Arkansas. Ted Solesky picked it up for me in August 1968 at the Harrisburg airport. It was a D10, 8x2 red in color, blended over Birds Eye Maple on front & back with diamond inlay, Maple top with white fret boards. Kevin Hatton added 2 additional knee levers & built a 2 piece case for me. Kevin wondered who had restored it. I told him it was still original, having been in the case for 20 some years. Somebody needs to buy this & have it restored, including the ZB Scranton Ark decal. They will have a great sounding guitar that is getting harder to find, & it will benefit the Forum!

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