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Topic: pull release to all pull conversion? |
Greg Gefell
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 8:55 am |
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OK - this is more of a high level question - not getting into specific brands of guitars, etc.
If one wanted to convert a pull release changer to an all pull changer, is there anything obvious other than the following things to consider?
1. Modify the body cavity opening and endplate (if necessary) so the new changer assembly fits correctly.
2. Create a bracket to mount the return springs on.
3. Create reversing knee levers for LKR and RKR.
I already have all the necessary parts from an all pull guitar - I just have to get them onto my existing frame.
Somebody's probably gone down this road before and learned a thing or two the hard way!
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richard burton
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 1:40 pm
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Make sure that you keep all the pull-release parts.
You might want to change it back to original spec if (when?) you find that converting it to an all-pull degrades the tone  |
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Jackie Anderson
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Scarborough, ME
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Posted 9 Sep 2009 3:23 pm conversion of pull-release changer
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Or in case you find that the guitar doesn't play as smoothly and easily....
If you have, or want to have, a complex "modern" copedant, and/or you want to change things around a lot and often, then this conversion might be a fine idea. Otherwise, why? |
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Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 10:49 am
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I want to be able to easily adjust the set-up without the hours of bench time headaches. Also I'd like to get some splits and pull release wont let you do that - raises always win.
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Jackie Anderson
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 11:04 am
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| Okay, those are good reasons. |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 11:17 am
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After researching this a bit - it doesnt look like I will be able to do this mod without replacing and or modifying too many parts. I think my best bet is to save up for a decent used pro steel. 
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 1:15 pm
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On this same topic, has anyone ever converted a Fender 400 to all-pull? Did it totally change the sound?
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Bobby Burns
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 2:24 pm
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| Does a Fender 400 have something other than an all pull changer? |
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 6:07 pm
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| ever converted a Fender 400 to all-pull? |
Fender 400, 1000, 800 & 2000 are 'all-pull'.
Besides, how would ya 'push' a cable? 
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Bobby Burns
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 6:12 pm
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| Russ, that is exactly what I was thinking, but since I'd never owned one, I thought it best to ask. |
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 10 Sep 2009 6:28 pm
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It may be all-pull, but it's only single-raise/single lower, which makes it impossible for modern copedents...
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 11 Sep 2009 6:07 am
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Thanks for the links Pat. Someday... I would like to build a steel from scratch myself. My goal for the short term is to just get 2 all pull steels ready for prime time.
I'm actually having John Coop help me rebuild an old maverick I've had lying around for years. He's all set-up with the parts, tooling, and R&D for those style of change-overs so its cost effective. I'll post some pictures of that when its done. Its truly going to be completely different guitar in every way, except for the wood! 
The guitar I was going to upgrade is a Zum stage one. After talking to Doug Earnest and Bruce Zumsteg however, it would be way more effort and money than its worth. Best to keep that what it was meant to be.
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Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 11 Sep 2009 6:14 am
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Pat, nice clip... I wonder though - Do you have to yell at yourself if you step on the vocals with too much steel? 
Its not easy to sing and play steel - I have a hard enough time just doing backup harmonies.
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