P/P with MaxTone

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » 3 Jul 2009 8:39 pm

A push pull doesn,t need any tone mod.Thomas Malugin

Dave Robbins · Post by **Dave Robbins** » 3 Jul 2009 9:38 pm

Hey Tomsteel...
I was just thinking the same thing! Just what modifications someone could possibly make to an Emmons push/pull to improve the tone?????

Hmmmmm.

Dave

Doc Rickles · Post by **Doc Rickles** » 4 Jul 2009 12:48 pm

Different pickups, different strings, different keys,
different amps,different bars, different hands, different love of sound, different ears, different age, are all guages as to how one hears or likes a certain sound. After all, only the human ear that is hearing the instrument can evaluate how it sounds to them. Then that is only their opinion. If you haven't heard a modded instrument by Tommy and I mean under playing circumstances where it is really tested and analyzed then you can't even qualify to give an opinion.Tommy has probably modded as many steels this year as some builders have built. He loves modding they love building, there is a place for both. If someone had not tried we would all be playing the same old worn out model of the first steel made. And I would still sound just as bad.Can you mod a player Tommy.
Just a thought.
Doc
I think I own the best engineered, best laid out, easiest playing steel ever built, its Ten years old
and rivals the new ones being built by the same builder today, my opinion only. Opinions are like belly buttons,every body has one.

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » 4 Jul 2009 1:07 pm

I have seen on past post/etc that this is a hot issue.I just believe that push pulls don,t need any mod to make them better.Of course a few overtightend screws etc wouldn,t be called a mod.I guess you could actually change something on a pp and It could be called a mod then,,but,,,all that extra work parts,,etc,,would probaly be imho,,redundant.Thomas Malugin

Doc Rickles · Post by **Doc Rickles** » 4 Jul 2009 1:19 pm

If that's what you believe Thomas then you are 100% right .We certainly can't call you a doubting Thomas. What you believe will control your actions, your thoughts, your body, your feelings and your life
and it is great that you express and stick to what you believe.
Blessings,
Doc

Dave Robbins · Post by **Dave Robbins** » 4 Jul 2009 8:52 pm

I don't believe [i]"Different pickups, different strings, different keys,
different amps,different bars, different hands, different love of sound, different ears, different age, are all guages as to how one hears or likes a certain sound. After all, only the human ear that is hearing the instrument can evaluate how it sounds to them"[/i] constitutes a "mod".

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the word "mod" short for "modification?"

So, my question still stands despite criticism, "Just what modifications someone could possibly make to an Emmons push/pull to improve the tone?????

No disrespect intended...I just want an answer that is something other than critiscism or defence. Like a straight answer.

And I think the same requirements should hold to the person "answering" the question, as Mr. Rickles requires of someone who "asks" the question.

respectfully,
Dave

Tommy Young · Post by **Tommy Young** » 4 Jul 2009 9:09 pm

GENTLEMEN this is a for sale section and not a place to discuss the """MODIFICATIONS that i do to improve tone.. THERE IS A PEDAL STEEL SECTION FOR THIS TYPE DISCUSSION many thanks.

Ben Turner · Post by **Ben Turner** » 4 Jul 2009 9:10 pm

WOW! I think you've all forgot the whole purpose here, He's trying to sell a guitar. If you're so offended by a "tone mod" to an Emmons P/P make a new post and see what happens, I don't think his post should be hijacked by all this. My opinion, there is ALWAYS room for improvement on an instrument. There will never be a "perfect" guitar. What's perfect to YOU may be hideous to another.

Dave Robbins · Post by **Dave Robbins** » 4 Jul 2009 10:03 pm

Ben
offended? I have nothing to be offended for.
You are apparently very "defensive," however.

Tommy
"you" are the one who brought up the tone modifications in your post i.e. "THIS IS A EMMONS REISSUE SD10 P/P, that has had the Albert Johnson work done to the lower end, and I have done my MAX-TONE MODIFICATIONS to the tone .
(which are you selling...the instrument or the modifications you make to them?)

Since "you" done the "modifications" and "you" are the one offering this guitar for sale, I have the right to ask "you" about it.

I see nothing wrong with asking about "any" modifications admittedly made by the person posting, epesially when they're the one who did it!

A person should have the right to know just what "modifications" have been made to an instrument before there can be any interest in buying it.

I thought this page was for selling to anyone, not just your freinds and fans.

I respect your right to sell. However, I do not respect a right to sell without being questioned about the product.

That being said, out of respect to the "owner" of the instrument, I'll refrain from any further inquiry.

Best success to you in selling this nice looking (admittedly modified) instrument.

Dave

Savell · Post by **Savell** » 5 Jul 2009 4:32 am

If I had the extra cash, this beauty would be coming to my house. To my misfortune, trades are not an option. Tommy’s mod does not discourage or scare me away from any psg. Many forum members have vouched for his mod. Many have stated their dislike for either Tommy and/or his mod. It is a known factor that Tommy is not going to unveil the secrets that he feels is vital to his business. This is not new to the market place (i.e KFC, Coke, etc.). Why this brings out the school boy mentally of so many is puzzling to me. To continue to do so and try to find words to hide the true intent is just as immature. If you have a vendetta, it should be addressed in another section of this forum.

I do however have a question about the sale of this instrument. If this is a recently bought psg (2007) and the buyer needs the money bad enough to sell it, why spend the money on a mod just prior to the sale? Wouldn’t it be more logical to sell as original and let the new owner weigh in the mod?

Good luck Tommy with your sale.
Savell

Dennis Brown · Post by **Dennis Brown** » 5 Jul 2009 5:55 am

I say W.O.W. ( with or with out ) the Mods. This is a great , great instrument and beautiful ta boot. I'm considering selling my tools I need for work to capture this thing.

Dennis

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 5 Jul 2009 6:53 am

As far as I am aware Buddy Emmons' push pull guitars never had this mod and as always, he sounded just great. I will wait until an original unmodded push pull comes along, buy it, and then decide if it needs to be modified!!

J PARKER · Post by **J PARKER** » 5 Jul 2009 10:16 am

I sure believe that everyone has there opinions but i have owned about 12 push pull guitars and had 3 i thought really sounded good out of the group but dang if i dont believe that that guitar sounded better than those did. Hope everyone had a great 4th and looking forward to meeting all of you one day. Jim

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 5 Jul 2009 11:18 am

" Opinions are like belly buttons,every body has one. "

Jeannie didn't! At least not the first season!

Larry Bressington · Post by **Larry Bressington** » 5 Jul 2009 11:27 am

I learned to love the sound i ended up with, like an arranged marriage really, i ended up with
a sho-bud, it was for sale and i bought it, the rest is up to me now,[16 years later] i figured out real quick, that it wasent the steel guitar, when it sounded bad, it was the player.
To be quite hohnest i never have preffered a 'paticular' brand, they all sound good in the right hands, buddy emmons sounds the same on a Sierra as he does a Carter, only he hears the nuances.
The steel guitar is half the marriage, it comes to a gunfight with a loaded gun, so you bring the other half, now dont you bring a knife to a gunfight and blame the instrument.
Good thing about buying a quality instrument, you cant blame poor tone on it, unless it has bad pick-ups.
If you have an Emmons, just play brother, play your heart out, all is good.

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 5 Jul 2009 11:53 am

I normally don't speak or give opinions on subjects I hadn't been involved with or don't know about first hand. This topic is one I know about personally. I've played many, many guitars, all brands over the last 38 years. Tommy's mod is the real deal. It works. If a player is happy with what they have then fine. But on the other hand, if a player is wanting to improve tone/sustain, then the mod will definitely do it. As far as p/p's go, I've played some with and w/o the mod. No comparison. I'm very particular about tone/sustain on a guitar. I'm not easily impressed but the guitars with TY's mods have all impressed me to the point, I endorse his product 100%. My D-10 Rains doesn't need a mod but if TY did a mod on it, it would only enhance an already great sounding guitar.

John McGuire · Post by **John McGuire** » 6 Jul 2009 8:43 am

jmo I would not want any guitar that was modded if I did not know what the mod consisted of. Is the mod reversable with no evidance of the mod being there? To me a mod and using after market parts like coop parts on a bud are two different things. What does a mod due to the long term value of a vintage instrument? I am NOT knocking this or any mod, just stating my opinion.

Pat Comeau · Post by **Pat Comeau** » 6 Jul 2009 10:36 am

I'm just speculating here as i never tried his modded guitars, there is just one thing that's puzzling me here...

Emmons and some other builders have been building guitars for years and one would think that they would have found by now all the tricks and modifications that sounds better for their guitars, i can see used guitars needing some adjustments and some modifications but again...as i said i've never tried his mod guitars so i would'nt know if it makes a big difference.

this is just my opinion and i'm not saying his mod is good or bad, some forum members swear by his mod so it's something to look into if it improves your guitar.

Chris Lang · Post by **Chris Lang** » 6 Jul 2009 1:06 pm

Is the mod reversable with no evidance of the mod being there?

See post on next page

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 6 Jul 2009 4:08 pm

This looks scary. Is this really a maxtone modification?

Larry Bressington · Post by **Larry Bressington** » 6 Jul 2009 4:35 pm

Excuse my ignorance, what does a maxtone do??
Is it in the bridge??? fingers???

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 7 Jul 2009 10:26 am

Hi Billy Do you know if a patent has been applied for these modifications? I checked the patent pending website and did not find it listed.

Nick Reed · Post by **Nick Reed** » 7 Jul 2009 4:09 pm

I personally WOULD NOT want this modification on any of my guitars.

Tommy Young · Post by **Tommy Young** » 7 Jul 2009 8:07 pm

People do get offensive when it comes to their brand of guitar that they think is the very best, customers do adjust their own guitars to suit themselves and their own playing styles and if the return springs were fully tightened then that had a lot to do with the action of the guitar.

PS:: MY MAX-TONE TONE MODIFICATION ((((DOES ""not))))HAVE ""ABSOLUTELY NOTHING""" TO DO WITH THE ACTION, STIFFNESS, OR PLAYABILITY OF ANY GUITAR PERIOD.... THAT IS OR WAS DONE BY THE FACTORY OR AN OWNER OF IT THANKS.....

Billy Carr · Post by **Billy Carr** » 8 Jul 2009 5:07 am

"Here We Go Again" was a hit for Ray Charles, I believe. Folks, come to one of the shows where Tommy, Jim Parker or myself are playing and we'll show you first hand what the MOD will do. Set behind Jim's D-10 blue Mullen or better yet play it on a set and crank it up all you want and hear it for yourself. Go TY!

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