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Topic: Sho-Bud What Year? |
John Gould
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Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 24 May 2009 7:03 pm |
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Can you tell me when my steel was built?
It was a custom job for someone else, I think
the guy played for Mickey Gilley and I think his name was J.B.Van.
He didn't like something about the guitar and did not accept it after the order made it here to Houston.
I've had it for a long time now but can't remember when I bought it.
Thanks
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A couple of guitars
Fender GTX 100 Fender Mustang III Fender Blues Jr. Boss Katana MKII 50
Justice Pro Lite and Sho Bud Pro II
Last edited by John Gould on 7 Jun 2009 7:15 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 24 May 2009 9:06 pm
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The swivel two-hole puller will tell you more about the year than the serial number. Sho~Bud serial numbers are notoriously hard to gauge. My best guess is that it is a square front Pro II (6155) built between '75-'77. It probably has smooth narrow pedals, slots for the strings in the changer, and a gumby headstock.
About the signature...that was Paul Franklin, Sr. who worked in the factory during this time. He handled a lot of the custom orders, so I assume this was one of them. He left Sho~Bud in 1978. |
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John Gould
From:
Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 25 May 2009 5:27 am
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Hey Chris do you read palms too?
Man you described the guitar almost perfectly.
I'm sure Paul Sr. doesn't remember every guitar he built back in that time period.
He did a great job on this one, I quit playing for a number of years and the guitar was stolen and recovered once for about a year.
So the guitar has a crazy history, thanks
John "Bubba"
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A couple of guitars
Fender GTX 100 Fender Mustang III Fender Blues Jr. Boss Katana MKII 50
Justice Pro Lite and Sho Bud Pro II |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 25 May 2009 11:46 am
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Hey John, it looks to be green lacquer.....it would be great to see some more pics! I bet it's a beauty.
Looking at your new photo, I see a barrel behind that swivel. Do any of the other pulls have barrels? If so, it may be an earlier model. But then it should be a round front if it has barrels on the rods. Is the one I'm seeing actually a half-stop? |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 25 May 2009 1:11 pm
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| Half-stop was what I was thinkin' too Chris. I'd like to see some more pics. |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 25 May 2009 1:15 pm
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| I think you're right, John. It's in the classic spot, and the other swivels do not seem to have barrels on them. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 25 May 2009 1:18 pm
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| Chris, also notice the space between the barrel and the puller? |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 25 May 2009 1:26 pm
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Yes, but my half-stop had more space than that.....which led me to believe it might be an actual pull that has gone astray. Otherwise, as you imply, it would be snug against the swivel. But hey, I'm just a student of the Sho~Bud. These threads are like midterms for me.  |
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Skip Edwards
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LA,CA
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Posted 25 May 2009 2:34 pm
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I'm not too sure it's a half-stop barrel. Aren't the half-stop rods a little thicker than the pull rods? And I don't believe they always go all the way into the changer.
Like so...
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John Gould
From:
Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 25 May 2009 4:18 pm
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I'll take some more pictures this coming weekend. I leave the guitar at my Opry gig that I play on Saturdays. The finish is sort of a green color, the finish is not in the greatest shape. When I was playing on the road years ago the guitar got rained on and just thrown in the case and put back under the bus. I took care of all the mechanics but the finish suffered some damage and i have not had it refinished. Some day I would like to get a total refurbish job done on it. It had a light truss dropped on it, other crazy accidents through the years but it still plays great.
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A couple of guitars
Fender GTX 100 Fender Mustang III Fender Blues Jr. Boss Katana MKII 50
Justice Pro Lite and Sho Bud Pro II |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 25 May 2009 4:58 pm
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| Skip, you're right about the thickness of the half-stop rod. I made the mistake one time of thinking it would fit through a regular swivel. |
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John Gould
From:
Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 6 Jun 2009 10:32 pm
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here's some photo's like I promised.
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A couple of guitars
Fender GTX 100 Fender Mustang III Fender Blues Jr. Boss Katana MKII 50
Justice Pro Lite and Sho Bud Pro II |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 7 Jun 2009 2:32 am
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This Steel looks identical to my former mid 70's Pro III Custom, the pulling barrels, the half stop and the "pup" switches are from that 70 ish era.
That's where I would place the age.
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 7 Jun 2009 7:27 am
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Wow, that's a well-used Sho~Bud! No one can accuse that guitar of not putting in some hours on the bandstand.
I had a Pro 1 of the exact same vintage, around '76. |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 7 Jun 2009 9:18 am
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Mid to later '70's. Nice custom inlay. I think it's a little unusual to see blade BL's with coil taps.
Question... do the strings attach to the changer fingers with pins or slots? |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 7 Jun 2009 9:24 am
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| Maybe the coil-tap switches aren't hooked up????? What's behind the gray-lookin plate? |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 7 Jun 2009 9:31 am
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| It looks like a transitional model. It has the early '70s two-hole bell cranks and undercarriage (which is good, no pot metal). But it has the newer mid '70s square front body (not as esthetically pleasing), dust-catcher fret board, and slotted changer (not so good, pot metal fingers). This is in keeping with Sho-Bud's practice of using up all the old parts mixed with new parts. |
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John Gould
From:
Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 7 Jun 2009 1:04 pm answers
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Yes the coil tap switches work.
And the strings go in slots
Yes this guitar has been under buses on airplanes, boats all over the world.
It's going to be retired to my house if I can ever get
this Emmons I just bought to play in tune and stay in tune.
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A couple of guitars
Fender GTX 100 Fender Mustang III Fender Blues Jr. Boss Katana MKII 50
Justice Pro Lite and Sho Bud Pro II |
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2009 8:09 pm
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| And the pedals are the smaller SuperPro (or shall I say later model) type without the grooves cast in them (78/79)? |
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