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Topic: what is the best student steel and why? |
Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 9 May 2009 12:29 pm |
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a recent thread got me to thinking ( i know i shouldn't do that ) but in the past couple of years it seems that some student models have really come a long way , so i would like to know which one you think is best and why
please don't just say the one you own simply because you happen to own it, and please give the reason you think one is better than the others
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 9 May 2009 1:33 pm
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| I referred a friend of mine to Doug Ernest's Zum Stage One, and I'm really impressed with it. My friend has come a long way on that steel in a couple of years, and gigs all the time with it now. That would be my #1 pick. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 9 May 2009 2:07 pm
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Chris
the stage one is one of the reasons i started this thread , my old stage one was good but i really think Doug made it better from the improvements that i see.
he added a neck , added a better pickup and a colored fretboard
i'm not sure what else he did
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Ernest Cawby
From:
Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 May 2009 1:18 am I have played GFI's but not a stage 1
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John bought a GFI and loves it he plays very good, looking at the different steels at shows the GFI is one of the best out there just look at who plays one all the time. And they are built by a man that has been at it for many years. He told us he worked under Roy Ayers years ago and I saw the inovated Fender he built while at Fender. I will find the picture and post it later. You played one neck with your fingers and the back neck with a bar. It even had a seat built inthe guitar. Gone hunting for pictures.
SEE NEW POST GENE FIELDS GUITARS.
ernie
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Mike Sigler
From:
Give Em A Try !
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Posted 10 May 2009 3:44 am
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I Play a GFI Student model on the Hall Of Fame Show every year at the St. Louis Show with herby wallace, and it kicks butt.... i only wish i could have had one to learn on when i was learning..
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 10 May 2009 6:42 am
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The CarpSteel.
Why?? Because Gary Carpenter builds it.
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Ricky Davis
Email Ricky: sshawaiian2362@gmail.com |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 10 May 2009 10:08 am
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it seems that with all the recent improvements its getting harder to call some of them "student models"
correct me if i am wrong, but with the stage one the only real difference i can see is that the copendant is fixed other than that it is very close to a pro
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Patrick Laffrat
From:
Gemenos, France
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Bobby Burns
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 10 May 2009 11:21 am
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| If I am not mistaken, the Stage one, GFI, Simmons, and most of the other common student guitars, have a pull release changer. There are, however, great differences in how different pull release guitars come set up. They can sound great and play in tune, as long as all the parts are on the guitar that are really needed. The problem with most of the old pull release student models, is that they cut too many corners and left out some necessary parts. Most of the old ones, like the Maverick and such, did not allow you to raise and lower the same string without adding a few parts. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 10 May 2009 12:19 pm
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well i don't know much about the workings of different changers so i will leave that issue to others that do , as long as they work i'm happy haha
the Zum and Simmons and a couple of the others do seem to be made using much better heavier/materail now than they used to be . i have also noticed that most are now using grover tuners and pro grade pickups
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 10 May 2009 9:01 pm
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The best guitar for the money is ...the Carter Starter. All pull changer w/3+4 ....I guess my opinion has softened on the starter here lately. It's what I started on,thought I "outgrew" it...it's funny though...the same changes that I use the most now...are the same changes that are on ...you guessed it...The Carter Starter.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 10 May 2009 9:36 pm
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there are two "student models " that in my opionon are not worth the money. anyone that wants to know which and why send me an e-mail and i will give details
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 10 May 2009 11:21 pm
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A few years ago, I added a short Uni tuning and two more KL's to an early GFI student model for a local customer...it now has 3 and 3. I don't know when it was built...it came from, of all places, a pawn shop in Florida. I wouldn't hesitate to play gigs with it at all. It repeats accurately and if you knock down the highs on the amp a bit, the tone is great. The present owner only has about $400 in it total and now has a job-playable steel. It won't do all the tricks of a so-called pro model, but the ones it can do it does very well.
PRR |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 11 May 2009 1:58 am
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The best student guitar is the one in front of you, because if you can't figure out what to do with the A and B pedal and at least 1 knee lever all of the posts in the world are not going to make it a better guitar or make anyone play better.
That's why they are called "student" guitars.
Probably more than half the players here learned or at least had some seat time with a 3+1 Maverick. We got the basics down, understood the theory relationships then moved on probably within a 1 year window.
It's not about the brand, the music is the same.
Oh and by the way, in all fairness to starter brand "X" which we know where this is going, they have built and sold more starter guitars over the past decade or so than any other brand. Most others came later and added to an already successful platform.
We don't need to email anyone for brand details, email me and I will help start you off on a great lifetime journey without regard to the brand.
t |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 11 May 2009 8:40 am
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To be fair, a price cap has to be specified when comparing instruments, or anything else.
X might be better than Y, but if X costs $500 more it's unfair to compare them.
When students are considering a starter instrument $500 is a big deal.
Still, Tony's answer is the best.
If it's a beginner instrument, you really don't need the quality features. It just has to be functional. |
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Don Drummer
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 11 May 2009 11:41 am student steels
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| It would be great if there was a student model with six strings and two pedal one knee lever. How about the inside six strings of the E9 say eight through three. I think I could get some of my guitar students interested in trying if the price was right. Like under 400.00. Don D. |
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G Strout
From:
Carabelle, Florida
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Posted 11 May 2009 5:24 pm
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| Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Freeman Cowgar (Cougar) make a few models that were 6 string with pedals and knee levers...... seems as though I remember seeing a few. (???) |
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