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Topic: I still don't like C6th but................ |
Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 11:41 am |
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I've been experimenting with the B6th tuning, same as the six string C6th but a fret lower and I'm beginnning to see how a lot of you guys are hooked on the C6th tuning. I used to think an open E or E7 was the way to go but since I've been just searching and experimenting with this tuning I'm really getting into it. I think the C6th is a wonderful tuning with a lot a good stuff on it but since the B6th relates better to an E tuning I think I'll stay with it.
I've been finding other positions and slants all over the place and it all ties together. I've come to the conclusion that the old six string C6th tuning with the E on top was a very well thought out and useful way to make the most of six strings. Kudos to whoever brought it into existance. If I need an E tuning, I have two Keith/Scruggs banjo tuners on strings 1 and 5 to bring both D# strings to E..........JH in Va.
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Carroll Hale
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EastTexas, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2009 1:01 pm question
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is the C6th you mention as follows:
CEGACE..........OR ECGACE........
or how do you set it up....
just curious....have always used ..CEGACE
you mention slants....
can you show or describe any favorites..
thanks,
ch |
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Andy Sandoval
From:
Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2009 1:23 pm
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| There must be a good reason why there's more instruction available for the C6th tuning than any other non pedal tuning. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 16 Jan 2009 9:37 am
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Carroll, my tuning is B D# F# G# B D#, so I guess that'd equate to a C6th tuning of CEGACE. Some of the slants I've found I use on a lapsteel version of "Together Again" in the key of A. On my steel it'd be started on the 10th fret and on a C6th it'd be at the 9th fret. I play strings 1 and 4 and then go to the 11th fret for string 1 and have the bar slanted so the 4th string's at fret 12 and then slide back to the 10th fret. If you were singing this part it'd be with the words "To...geth....er".
For the next part let's skip to the section like on the pedal steel version where Brumley "walks" down four notes on string five while "droning" a note on string 3. On lapsteel I'd go to fret three and play strings 1 and 3, then I'd slant string 3 back to the second fret while holding the note on string one at the third fret. Then I'd pick strings 1 and 4 and slant the bar back to the second fret on string 4 while holding the note on the first string at fret 3. With a little experimentation, you can get this sounding very "pedal steelish" and these moves can be used in other tunes as you wish....JH in Va.
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Todd Weger
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Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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Posted 16 Jan 2009 10:57 am Cool idea...
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Jerry -- So you basically can go from B6 to E9 with a couple Scruggs tuner twists?
Very cool!
I've never played PSG in my life, and have played C6 probably 90% of the time. I can see where if one really is used to E tuning variations with that E on top, this compromise makes a lot of sense, and gives you two very distinct tunings very quickly.
Love the Scruggs modification.
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1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, E13, A6); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Custom-made 25" aluminum cast "fry pan" with vintage Ricky p'up (C6); 1938 Epiphone Electar (A6); 1953 Oahu Tonemaster; assorted ukuleles; upright bass |
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 16 Jan 2009 1:44 pm
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or - you be can be an oddball like me and play 10 string E9 lap style. Its open E7 and its B6 all in one. Just gotta learn to harness those built in B6 skip grips.
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John Drury
From:
Gallatin, Tn USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2009 5:41 am
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Jerry,
If I'm not mistaken, Byrd is one that is given credit for the C6 tuning with the E on top.
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 17 Jan 2009 11:53 am
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Thanks John, I thought he might be the one but I wasn't sure, he is the master though......
Todd, I've got one other Keith/Scruggs banjo tuner which I'm going to put on the 4th string. As my steel is now when I raise my D#'s to E I have an open E but it still has the F# on string 4. With the additional tuner I can lower that 4th string F# to E and lower the 5th string to D instead or raising it to E. Then along with the raise of the 1st string to E, I'll have a nice E7th tuning (D B E G# B E low to high)..... The Keith Scruggs tuners work very well on lapsteels and stay in tune great as long as you keep the nut slots lubricated. I use a powdered graphite on mine.....JH in Va.
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 17 Jan 2009 1:43 pm
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I also prefer B6 to C6, I really que off of the B strings to tell what chord(s) I'm at. The banjo tuners are a fab idea!
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