Any way to mimic a trill technique - on lap steel?

[Judson Bertoch]

e.g. guitar, but I'm thinking more like a harmonica on a slow blues tune - response to a vocal "call"

I don't know if there is certain bar/vibrato technique or other way to get that effect. Perhaps manipulate with a delay or other pedal as well?

Anybody given it a go or maybe it just doesn't work on a steel.

JB

[Cliff Kane]

fast hammer-ons and pull-offs?

[Andy Volk]

The player who (to my ears) comes closest to a harmonic sound is Darick Campbell - especially when he uses a wah wah pedal. He doesn't have a wah here but it's still great ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3TQKmKz ... re=related

[George Piburn]

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[Ray Montee]

BUT........

MR. BOARDS appears NOT TO BE USING an ELBOE REST, ARM REST, HAND REST or shoulder sling as some advocate here on the Forum. How can this be?
Is it really possible to play as it appears he's doing in this video or is that merely another of those Photo Shoppe manipulations to confuse our minds?

His picking hand (right) appears to be right where one would expect a steel player to place it. His hand must feel like an itinerant traveling salesperson with no visible means of support... just sort of floating above the strings......as it should.

Playing with a nice vibrato........sorta "drops dead" when he gets to those sustained OPEN STRINGS where there is no vibrato. Is there not anything one could do to keep that easy flow going rather than just bring it to an abrupt 'dead' sound?

Is there NOT a magic black box that could correct that one glaring error?

[AJ Azure]

Ray so is this really necessary? better yet is this even constructive?
Never mind that it's irrelevant to this specific thread.

I hope you never have to deal with an injury. if you do you might be swallowing a bit fo crow after such a useless commentary.

[Judson Bertoch]

George - thanks and nice work on that. Are you muting on those trills? (if so, would it it be your bar hand - index finger doing it?)

[George Piburn]

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[Rick Schmidt]

When I think "trill", I think about finding a whole step interval within whatever tuning you're using and trilling (and tripleting)the heck out of it. Real easy on a 6th, or 13th tuning, not so easy on Dobro G or open major tuning.

[AJ Azure]

Warning: These are Advanced Masters Moves!! It would be impossible to accomplish them with one's Wrist Lodged on any type of Rest Devise.

Further: if one has sustained Injuries and attemps to do these sort of playing techniques it would most likely aggrivate --- or worse -- advance an injury dispite the use of any Braces or Rests.

and you base this on what expertise exactly? cause you said so and / or cause jerry byrd said so is pretty much nonsense. there are many ways to accomplish a technique. man i swear you guys paint yourselves into these little dogmatic boxes (read as musical religion by wrote) and it's nearly impossible to rip you out of them and have you think outside the box.

what you seem to miss is that the wrist rest mentioned was for rest not necessarily for non-stop usage. Oh and in the video i can clearly see where you could potentially have nerve pinches due to your wrist angle on your left hand. Not to mention your body angle in general has potential issues. However, if you don't feel pain nor have any injury it seems to work for you. get the point?!

[George Piburn]

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[AJ Azure]

no personal attack intended.sorry if it came off like that.
you;re hearing frustration at Ray's snippy side commentary and the fact that peopel with no injury experience ignore those with it and potentially give dangerous advice.. That's all. As a teacher I am very passionate about avoiding unnecessary injury.