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Topic: Interesting tunings from a 1968 PSG newsletter |
Dave Zirbel
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Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2008 10:23 pm |
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I copied these from a Tom Bradshaw 1968 Steel Guitar Newsletter. The guy I copied them from claims to have given Bobby Black lessons in the 1950's.
Hope you like them.
Dave |
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J Fletcher
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London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 14 Sep 2008 1:21 pm
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| That's cool stuff. Interesting to see Emmons' and Lloyd Green's set ups from back in '68...Jerry |
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Dave Zirbel
From:
Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2008 1:42 pm
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It shows Lloyd with only 2 knees. I thought he already had the F lever by '68. Bobby Black's E9 has a C# between the D# and G#. Vance Terry with 19 pedals.....
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Brian Herder
From:
Philadelphia, Pa. USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2008 5:11 pm
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| This is cool, thanks Dave.. and it has Speedy West's Fender 1000 tunings. |
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Al Udeen
From:
Hendersonville Tn
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 2:58 am
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| Hal also the only one with 2 seperate knees on 2nd string! But was lowering them? Later changed to raising them! |
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Tucker Jackson
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 1:04 pm
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This is "solid gold" documentation for historians interested in the development of the steel guitar... and thanks to Dave, it's now been entered into the digital permanent record.
Thanks for posting this!  |
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J D Sauser
From:
Wellington, Florida
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Posted 15 Sep 2008 2:08 pm
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Great information! Thanks Dave.
I took the liberty to post a copy of the sheet with Speedy's tuning on the main Forum on the Speedy West Fender 1000 thread which mainly discusses his tuning(s).
Thanks! ... J-D. |
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2008 3:18 pm
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this is fantastic, thanks!
I don't think Jimmy Day ever went to having a lever to lower both E strings, did he?
Crazy to think him and Lloyd Green doing so much beautiful stuff without it. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2008 8:08 pm
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Thank you Dave for this peek into the past.
Overall I'm surprised to see how little has changed in 40 years.
One thing that has died away since then is Vance Terry's pedal 12. You see it on the B flat 6th of the Texas guys Braddy, Carter, Morrell. I don't think anybody has that pedal today.
Those 3 Texas Bb6 guys were trying all some similar things such as half step and whole step lower on the high D string, in the prime range for melodic playing. They were trying high A and B flat strings but those probably didn't sound as good, and they died. Presumably a Reece Anderson tuning from this period would include many similar things.
Only Tom Morrell had a nascent universal tuning, using his second pedal and "lrk" to get that whiny sound. Bud Carter almost had it on his second pedal but the D to E flat raise is absent.
I like what Morrell's knee levers do on those D strings. I tried many similar things when I was looking for a perfect universal tuning. Now on my C6 I have those 2 knee levers, but each one raises one E string while lowering the other. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2008 8:12 pm
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| J Fletcher wrote: |
| Interesting to see Emmons' and Lloyd Green's set ups from back in '68...Jerry |
They are identical except the knee lever postions are reversed. Even the typo is the same, raising the low C a half step (whole step really). Coincidence!?!? |
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J Fletcher
From:
London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 30 Sep 2008 7:57 am
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| Interesting to me that Emmons and Green both dedicated a lever to a whole tone lower on their 2nd string, when they only had two levers, on the E9th neck...Jerry |
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Doug Freeman
From:
Los Angeles, CA
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Posted 3 Oct 2008 11:48 am
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| No high unwound B on the bottom for Joaquin? Wasn't that sorta one of his trademarks? |
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Dave Zirbel
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Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 3 Oct 2008 12:04 pm
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I'm guessing that maybe some of this information was slightly outdated when these tunings were published, like perhaps the project took a year of gathering information and then the stuff was printed. Maybe Tom remembers. A lot of these players tunings are listed in Winnie's book and are different. I think that came out in 1975.
I'm glad that some of you are enjoying these! |
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 5 Oct 2008 1:20 pm
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That was beautiful dave, just goes to show that even back then, they kept a fairly simple set up, it was about the playing back then!  |
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2008 9:46 am
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| Vance Terry's pedal 12. |
The "high" diminished. |
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