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Topic: Hope this is the right forum (Franklin pedal) |
Robert Matteo
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 4:40 pm |
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Can anyone explain to me what the Franklin pedal is? I guess it is a 4th pedal for E9. Is that correct? Thanks, Bob
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 5:17 pm
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It lowers strings 5,6 & 10 a whole tone each. You are correct it is on the E9th neck. Do a search, probably under the PEDAL STEEL section, and you will be overwhelmed with info on the pedal.
EDIT: It can also just be strings 5 & 10. Some have the whole tone lower on string 6 on a knee lever and combine the lever and pedal. I think Paul Franklin does it this way now. I have the 6 string lower on a lever but still lower all 3 strings with my Franklin pedal. |
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Robert Matteo
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Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 8:31 pm Richard
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Thanks Richard that explains it!!
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 12:25 pm
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| EDIT: It can also just be strings 5 & 10. Some have the whole tone lower on string 6 on a knee lever and combine the lever and pedal. I think Paul Franklin does it this way now. I have the 6 string lower on a lever but still lower all 3 strings with my Franklin pedal. |
I was told that Tommy White was the player who "split" the PF pedal, so he could get more voicings and "moving tones", by removing the G# to F# from the pedal, and used the already existing G# to F# change on a knee lever, with and without the pedal.
I heard him use this awesome "spliting" technique one night on a live WEB GOO radio cast; when Connie Smith announced "And here is Tommy White!" as he began his break. As he finished the break, Connie, and I am sure many (I was one of them) were blown away with how he had embellished the PF pedal using it split. And she exclaimed for all to hear, WOW!
This would be a similar thing that Buddy did; when he "split" the lone E to A pedal into an "A and B" pedal; after what Bud Isaacs did on Web Pierce's "Slowly"; some 50 yrs ago.
Wow! Truly the world's most incredible musical instrument. Praise Jesus he allowed man to create this awesome modern day "joyful noise".
carl
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 12:31 pm
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Carl. Great to have you back.
Could very well be that Tommy split the Franklin pedal. He is so knowledgable and technical, not to mention he seems to play pretty good.  |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 12:39 pm
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Thank you Richard.
c.
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 1:57 pm
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Robert,
This is the right forum for your ?
I don't know who was first with what? I just hope you got what you needed. |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 2:35 pm
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 2:48 pm
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I don't know if Paul went through conundrums trying to figure out whether and how to split the "Franklin" change, but I did. With most of us, you have to have the G# to F# move, if separated from the 5 and 10 string lowers, on a lever with another change, in my case it works out best on the same lever I use for string 1 F# to G# and string 2 D# to E. If you put 'em all on one pedal, you do get some beautiful chord tones on the upper strings (using the Franklin change with other pedals and alone), but I really like the sound of the G# to F# move by itself, (Buddy E does wonders with that one) and have settled on that setup.
Trying to figure out how to grow a third knee... |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 3:50 pm
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Paul has said several times that he gets the G# to F# change by itself on the 7th string. He raises it to G# and lets off the lever to get the G# to F#. That allows it to be used with the 5th string without lowering that string to A.
I like having both notes moving at once and prefer to have them together AND on a pedal. I've had them split with the B to A on a pedal and G# to F# on a lever and have found, for my playing, I prefer the 5th, 6th, and 10th string lowers together.
Everyone is different -- you have to figure this stuff out for what works best for YOU, both stylistically and mechanically.
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 4:28 pm
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Yup, vive la differance...
I had it your way for a long time, Larry, and just missed the sound of the 6th string moving by itself... I've found I'll trade the chord voicings that add the 1st and or 2nd string into Franklin changes for the ability to have both the separate and simultaneous movements available.
I can't help think of when you and I were first starting out up in MI and this discussion would have left me grinning blankly. It's a great process, no? |
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Richard Sinkler
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 5:18 pm
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Yup. Everyone's different. I like all the changes but don't want to split the Franklin pedal yet. Haven't been shown a good reason or any licks to make me want to.
My current setup:
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LKL1 LKL2 LKV LKR 1 2 3 4 RKL RKR
F#...G#..........G
D#...E....................................D/C#
G#................................A
E..........D#.........F.......F#
B........................A....C#.....C#
G#.......................F#.......A.............F#
F#...G#..........G
E.........D#..........F
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B........................A...........C#
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I also prefer to have the 6th string lower on the pedal and a knee lever by itself. |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 6:31 pm
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I've never had the PF pedal, or knee lever. But I have lowered my G#'s to F#'s for 30 yrs, and it is my second most used knee lever.
I have ordered the guitar below
With the copedent below.
I can't wait to have those changes along with 2 verticals between the E9th cluster. Never had that before. I saw a picture of Mitsuo's guitar about 2 yrs ago, where he did that. So I wanna see how it is going to work.
Hooray, it will be here soon. Praise Jesus.
c.
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Brad Malone
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 7:08 pm Awesome steel
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| Hey Carl, your new steel looks awesome, as is your setup...please let us know how you like it, after you get time to put it through its paces |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 7:16 pm
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Yes Brad,
I am very excited as each day draws closer. Incidently, I will have this guitar on display in St. Louis. If you are going to be at the show, come by and "set a spell" in the Excel room, dear friend.
And this invitation applies to everyone. There are few things I love better than to talk PSG!
carl
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 1 Aug 2008 3:58 am
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This is one of the finest changes on our Instrument.
Visit my website main page and check out the links to two YOUTUBES , I'm so Lonesome and I Can't hELP IT, Both are programs which cover the use of this excellent change.
www.tprior.com
thanks
tp |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 1 Aug 2008 11:13 am
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Carl said:
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| But I have lowered my G#'s to F#'s for 30 yrs, and it is my second most used knee lever |
Same here. It was on my very first PSG in '71 and I have always had it (only on string 6 though). It is my 3rd most used lever behind the E raises and lowers. Don't know if I could play without it (of course I could, but it wouldn't be as fun). |
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